Ultimate Alliance

[Andrew Schreiber]

217 68 67 for the All Michigan win.

Otherwise, Id put in for 111 68 and 67. Either way my picks are from the Midwest. 67 and 111 load from corners and 68 loads from the outpost (including their empty cell delivery system) 68 pins for 111 while 67 hits another trailer. 67 goes to reload while 111 unloads all over the pinned opponent. 68 deposits the empty cell and goes off to unload while 111 either runs interference or collects for another dump.

[Tyler Hicks]

I think 111 is good, but the best Michigan Allience would be 217, 67, 1918.

[Chris is me]

Heh, all this talk reminds me of a qualification match in Minnesota that was particularly kind to the top 3 scoring teams at the event (according to our scouting data), all being paired with each other... but I digress.

If you're talking solely the robot and not the strategy, you could include a lot of bots over others. 177 over 148, for example; they had practically the same bot but I preferred how 177's drivers played.

Given that they have awesome, smart drivers, 111 and 217 are pretty special. But a lot of robots that could have opted for HP loading that didn't (2970) I'd say would be different and worth a second look with a change in drivers.

Another thing to consider is how easy it is to stop a robot or strategy. Part of what makes 217 / 111 so awesome is that they have some neat tricks (mainly 111's epic crab drive and 217's adjustable shooter / corner load) that make stopping them have a net negative benefit. You can get around this with cunning strategy to an extent (what's up 1625), however.

Overall, with "driver / robot" teams factored in, my ideal alliance would probably be 111 / 217 / 1625.

[Neal G]

Originally Posted by Tyler Hicks

I think 111 is good, but the best Michigan Allience would be 217, 67, 1918.

Well, 68, if I am not mistaken from our scouting data, put up around 25+ balls a match during elims on Saturday. When we were pinned, they were definitely able to score well and carry our alliance. Da Bears also proved to be a more effective partner than anyone else we could have picked, as their pinning and defense allowed us to score more super cells in elims than ever before. As said previously, it comes down to a lot more then just raw scoring power. OPR does NOT win a match, nor will it get you to Einstein.

Personally, I think an ultimate SCORING alliance would consist of teams such as 67, 111, 1771, 254, 1625, 121, 1114, 2056, 1717, etc. All high scoring, ~30 balls a match kind of robots.

Oh, I suppose you could throw us in that pool too.

[#2970-tim]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

Heh, all this talk reminds me of a qualification match in Minnesota that was particularly kind to the top 3 scoring teams at the event (according to our scouting data), all being paired with each other... but I digress.

If you're talking solely the robot and not the strategy, you could include a lot of bots over others. 177 over 148, for example; they had practically the same bot but I preferred how 177's drivers played.

Given that they have awesome, smart drivers, 111 and 217 are pretty special. But a lot of robots that could have opted for HP loading that didn't (2970) I'd say would be different and worth a second look with a change in drivers.

Another thing to consider is how easy it is to stop a robot or strategy. Part of what makes 217 / 111 so awesome is that they have some neat tricks (mainly 111's epic crab drive and 217's adjustable shooter / corner load) that make stopping them have a net negative benefit. You can get around this with cunning strategy to an extent (what's up 1625), however.

Overall, with "driver / robot" teams factored in, my ideal alliance would probably be 111 / 217 / 1625.

What is HP loading and what does it have to do with 2970?

[MrForbes]

HP loading is Payload Specialist loading, but using previous year's terminology (Human Player)

If you load up your robot in autonomous by having a human stuff balls into it, then you can get a really big score right away as soon as teleop starts.

Some teams figured this out early and used it very effectively.

[#2970-tim]

Thanks. I think we whould have done better then what we already have if we had decidied to go with the HP loading. We were thinking about it , but we wanted the human player to have fun as well. We wanted everyone to try to have fun. If we get into IRI i would like to do that.

[eschanz]

Well what about two power dumpers and one defense like 67,1918, and 1254.

we did not win state only because of some unfortunate events.(we ended up losing 4 matches that we should have won). the bigest upset is when 68 was on our team and their dumper i guess stoped working.

[Tyler Hicks]

1254 was a great defender, but human players might have a larger impact.

[hayleybayley217]

Originally Posted by eschanz

Well what about two power dumpers and one defense like 67,1918, and 1254.

we did not win state only because of some unfortunate events.(we ended up losing 4 matches that we should have won). the bigest upset is when 68 was on our team and their dumper i guess stoped working.

not to be rude... but are you blaming your lost at states on your qualification partners?! or am i have i mistaken this tone. 68 is an amazing team(no one pushes truck town) and yes their dumper had some troubles back at states but that does not mean that made you lose. every robot runs into difficult matches as well as unfortunate events. robots like to give you troubles... its like they have a mind of their own. they work to win but when no one is giving them attention they just want to break!( what Roxxy did to us sometimes)

i want to see how last years ultimate alliance of 148, 1114, and 217 can hold out in this year's game
maybe play an alliance of 67, 68, 111, 254, etc.

[Barry Bonzack]

I vastly underestimated 67's abilities despite seeing them in multiple events on webcast.

111 and 1625 are both amazing, I'd even say interchangable. I can't shake my initial feelings after week 1 and the Midwest regional that 1625 is one of the top robots in the world, and 71 even should have a say in this argument.

I also can't help my week 1 reactions when comparing 1114 and 217. It was fun watching 217 get better and better as the weeks went on, but 1114 is just darn right scary. I've seen video of them shooting over opponents, but seeing it with my own eyes is something else. Was any other robot able to be pinned in a corner and score 8 moonrocks in the opposing goal?

67, 1625, 1114

[swamp_child]

179, 1625, 1649

not to be vain or anything

[lenny8]

67.217 and 1625. i hope they meet up in IRI against us ( sarcasm )

[Aren_Hill]

Originally Posted by lenny8

67.217 and 1625. i hope they meet up in IRI against us ( sarcasm )

I'd be down for that lol

[hillale]

I think I might be sick at the thought of some of the alliances that will inevitably come out of IRI with the assumed lack of a serpentine draft.

On the Ultimate Alliance front, I'm going to call 111, 1625 and 71 for champs at IRI.