Why is it that not many girls are into robotics?

[Akash Rastogi]

Originally Posted by Cooley744

I love to see other girls on the drive team... like me

316 had the coolest drive team ^_^ and 1868

[nevereverregret]

hehe... new smileys!!!! I am the only girl on my team. At the beggining of this year there was me and another girl but she quit due to another team member and his sexism. Alot of girls I think are not joining because of the sexium in some of the teams, like me old team. I can see that most teams (over 90%) are not mainly sexist teams. But the few who are really turn women away from being part of the team. Its hard to fight for a place, you get tired of continualy fighitng for a place or say in the team. We started a new team due to one of these sexist teams, which really was only two or three people, but it ruined it for me. Along with being sexist there were many other peoples that just could not be fixed. But we made another team and are hoping to have more women join. I would love if I wasent the only girl, but it just dosent seem to work out... Just a reminder to some guys we can build as well keep an open mind. But to the 90% of guys who arent like that thank you sooooo much♥

[JaneYoung]

The more women we see coaching, the more girls we'll see participating.
The more women we see as lead engineers, the more girls we'll see committing to the team.
The more women we have as 'rock stars' in FIRST, the more girls we'll see celebrating math and science and the doors they can open.
The more women who serve as strong role models, the more girls we'll see applying for and obtaining scholarships in these areas.

Lead by example.
Go the distance.
Recruit mentors, team mates, parents, sponsors, and supporters that get this or will.

It's a journey - for some, it is a lifetime adventure in the form of a goal.

[kramarczyk]

Originally Posted by JaneYoung

The more women we see coaching, the more girls we'll see participating.
The more women we see as lead engineers, the more girls we'll see committing to the team.
The more women we have as 'rock stars' in FIRST, the more girls we'll see celebrating math and science and the doors they can open.
The more women who serve as strong role models, the more girls we'll see applying for and obtaining scholarships in these areas.

Lead by example.
Go the distance.
Recruit mentors, team mates, parents, sponsors, and supporters that get this or will.

It's a journey - for some, it is a lifetime adventure in the form of a goal.

You must spread some reputation around before giving it to JaneYoung again!

That whole post should be spotlighted.

[Karibou]

Originally Posted by kramarczyk

That whole post should be spotlighted.

Agreed XD

I think that one of the biggest problems with getting girls to join/stay on teams is the gender barrier. Before high school, girls and guys don't interact much, and if they do, it's typically more on a "OMGBOYFRIEND!!!!!!!!"-type basis. So for girls, gaining acceptance on a team that's mostly guys can be...hard. Lack of acceptance is what has scared a few of my girl friends away from the team, along with a general disinterest in robots.

So basically... (Retention of female participation)=acceptance+interest+/-(already existing friends on the team)

Originally Posted by kramarczyk

You must spread some reputation around before giving it to JaneYoung again!

You can give some to meeeeeeeeeee! [:

[mhaake]

I joined FRC my senior year of high school (the second year of our team) and noticed something odd. I was on an all-girls team and we were very proud of where we had come in the year. We got to a younger competition and teams told us they were surprised to see an all girls team with a nice looking robot. They said straight to our faces they didn't know how well we would do tho, simply for the fact that we were all girls. After the first day of competition, we had teams coming up to us telling us it was simply luck that we were so good. As the driver of the team, I put up with countless drive teams telling me they were going to get the ball even tho they knew their robot was was less capable than ours. I listened for awhile, until I decided it was time to put the boys in their place. Saturday afternoon, we were second pick. By this time, we had teams coming up to us telling us how surprised they were that an all girls team could be so good. By the second or third match with our alliance, they knew we were the dominating robot and began to do the "Robette kiss" with us when their team was introduced (blow a wave at the camera/MC). We had all male drive teams blowing kisses.

This year I decided to be a college mentor and noticed little change. THis was noticed even after at the kickoff this year, team 2169's mentor made a speech about the season and made out team stand and told all the teams there to not underestimate the power of girls. Props to King TeC!

I think there has been some improvement on team's behalves of supporting girls; however, people will always have their stereotypes. When our team is faced with these boys, we stick it to them in the competition. However, we do it as a team. I would find it very intimidating to try to stick it to these same boys that underestimate our team if they were on my team and there were only 5 or so girls to be on my side (and im not an intimidated person - I have an older brother ....) On a slightly other note besides some boys not thinking girls can do what boys do, I've noticed some times boys think that girls are there only to flirt with. Our team gets hit on like no other when we show up at competitions and, although flirting can sometimes be a 2 way street, robotics simply isn't the place for it. Girls can feel pressured to flirt back simply to be nice to guys and I'm saying competition isn't right for that (but for more on that there is another thread about PDA that went on in Atlanta...)

One last side note that may not be 100% relevant. Our team applied for the Chairmans Award this year. We did not win and we understand why the other team that won was simply more involved. Do not get me wrong : I am not complaining that we did not win. The other team deserved it at the time more than we did. On our feedback, we were told we need more diversity and to bring more less priviledged people in the engineering world onto our team. We have 3 of 18 students that are of color on the team. Our school simply is all white (all girls Catholic school...). We were astonished to see that on our sheet since we bring 18 girls into the engineering world and if another team has 10 of the 40 girls they get extra points for having lots of girls . . . Just a side note that I thought was interesting that an all girls team was told that we were not bringing enough minorities into the engineering world (when most other groups aren't told that if they have girls on their teams.)

[Chris is me]

I have absolutely no idea why there aren't more girls in robotics, science, and engineering.

I've always been a part of teams with lots of girls on them. I was the only guy on my team for both of my years in FV/TC. Then I went and joined a team that had more guys but still several girls involved in every part of the team (so not just the "girl roles" or whatever stereotype exists that I'm nto aware of). It just seems like something that's never really been an issue for any of my teams.

I don't see what's so intristically different about science and engineering that girls would be predisposed not to do. Girls certainly aren't "worse" at robotics; I've encountered just as many good and bad all (mostly) guys teams as all girls teams. It just seems weird that there would be that stigma to begin with.

I don't really understand how specifically "all girls teams" are seen as great, however. Getting more girls into engineering is just as nice as getting more of anyone into engineering, probably even nicer as we kind of have to make up for hidden gender bias in things. I just don't see why restricting guys from joining a team accomplishes this goal any better than by just encouraging more girls to join. Why an all-girls team gets more media attention than a team that's gone above and beyond to reach a female majority has always puzzled me, since most all girls teams are from all girls schools.

I intend no disrespect to teams made up of all girls, especially teams from all girl's schools. I just think that if there exists an all girls team that turns down guys wanting to participate then they are "doing it wrong".

Oh, quick comment to the Robettes above: You guys had a really great robot in 10,000 Lakes, and you guys shouldn't have been available when you were in the picking process (you guys were in the 7th seed right? I would have pinned you guys as a 4 or 5 team). Perhaps there are more hidden biases at work?

[JaneYoung]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

I don't really understand how specifically "all girls teams" are seen as great, however.

Chris,
You have made some good points and provided food for thought.
I've narrowed your quote down to this statement, not to argue with you or to dispute the thought, but to provide an opportunity for you to gain some insight from some girls' perspectives. The girls are current members and alumnae from Falcon Robotics, FRC 842.

The thread title is, We Left The Boys At Home. There is another thread called, We Left The Boys At Home II. I'll let you find that one if you are interested in reading it as well. In this thread that I'm introducing to the discussion, several pages were written regarding opinions about why 842 chose to do what they did. It was on the last page that the girls shared their views, perspectives, and opinions. It was not easy for them and they had to find the courage to do it. That is no small thing and should not be dissed or overlooked. Posting in ChiefDelphi can be very intimidating for anyone and going about the business of creating change and opportunity, knowing that it will open one to criticism and misunderstanding, can be difficult. I'd like to direct your attention to post 77 when Mabel begins writing. Then I would like to direct you to post 84. In post 84, several of the girls post their experiences and their thoughts. It would be my preference that you read the entire thread but 77 and 84 address the quote regarding wondering why all girls teams are seen as great. In my opinion, all girls teams are not great in themselves. It is their efforts, their commitment to the program/competition, and the team development - their journey - that can help them achieve greatness, if they work hard enough. But, I do understand and value the importance of the teams. Especially after spending some time looking through the lens that 842 has provided us in this thread.

[AcesJames]

I'm not sure if this is how it is at every high school, but at ours, there are a lot of reasons why girls don't go into robotics

1. Robotics is beaten down by EVERYONE at the two schools our team comes from. It is said to suck up resources, space, and money from the schools, which it does not. Everyone says sports are way more important than FIRST, and that our team is pointless and a waste of time. The only people in our school that even know we've won the championship, are already on the team.

2. Girls at our school can only be "popular" if they wear a certain style of clothing, act a certain way, and hang out with certain people. They have to either play soccer, basketball, lacrosse, or field hockey. They have to be attractive. At our school, joining the robotics team is "social suicide".

Overall, I think one of the problems is that girls are molded, at least in our society, to become nurses, house-wives, etc. Society as a whole looks down upon girls who want to be engineers. That's why FIRST is so important. It teaches kids that engineering is cool, and it is the future. FIRST is a sport to all of us, and it's fun. We just have to show girls, and people in general, that it isn't just for nerds. Robotics and engineering as a whole is for anyone who is interested in it.

[delsaner]

It could just be that some girls have no real interest in robotics. It could be that robotics and technology doesn't interest them. We could introduce girls to the side of robotics (the side the majority of teenagers don't know about), and maybe they will grow an interest in robotics. If they don't have an interest in robotics, we shouldn't force them to grow a liking. If they like it, they like it. If not, then that is their opinion, and I respect their opinion.

[Nica F.]

I'm going to keep this very short and sweet.

Why aren't there many girls in robotics? Simple, a lot just don't know that there is more to robots than going at pieces of aluminum all day. I think a lot of people miss the point that the great thing about FIRST and robotics is that it's just as important to realize that you don't want to do engineering as to realize that you do. All girls will have their reasons, and whether its "no i don't like getting dirty" to "i don't like math and science", there are also a boatload of reasons non-engineering related that show that they can do robotics as well.

[falconmaster]

Originally Posted by JaneYoung

The more women we see coaching, the more girls we'll see participating.
The more women we see as lead engineers, the more girls we'll see committing to the team.
The more women we have as 'rock stars' in FIRST, the more girls we'll see celebrating math and science and the doors they can open.
The more women who serve as strong role models, the more girls we'll see applying for and obtaining scholarships in these areas.

Lead by example.
Go the distance.
Recruit mentors, team mates, parents, sponsors, and supporters that get this or will.

It's a journey - for some, it is a lifetime adventure in the form of a goal.

Hey Jane you are almost leaking out the findings of our study! we have been taking data for two years and we are getting ready to write our report. I did not get to see you this year! I miss you!

[LilGrohnke2013]

The reason that I hear a lot is that I don't have the patience for that, or that's for nerds, and all kinds of that. I find it interesting that on our team we have 2 girls as captains, Bekah and myself. I am also the only girl on our build team (well my FTC team I'm a jr member on our FRC team, which that build team is 2/3 female freshman! woo girls!) I always try to get my friends into FIRST but I have only succeeded with one of my guy friends. It really disappoints me that there are so few girls. Truly it shows womens strength and will, really it proves that women are just as able as men to do things such as robotics. Sorry this is so long, but topics like this once I get going, I don't stop very quickly.