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Re: Did VEX have to say Pretty Please?
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Re: Did VEX have to say Pretty Please?
While i don't have the image viewer installed on this computer, I can tell by reading bits & pieces of the info that this patent is for the 2003 game.
Sure, it may incorporate a banner coopertitiion idea as well, but it seems to focus on 2003's game alone at least in terms of describing the playing field combined with the scoring methods as well. Unless VEX (or any other robotics competition for that matter outside the realm of FIRST) decides to recreate exactly the 2003 FRC game, there shouldn't be an issue with any portions of this patent. You have to take it as a whole, & not just focus on parts of it. Last edited by Elgin Clock : 13-05-2009 at 12:17. |
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Re: Did VEX have to say Pretty Please?
Can you be more specific about what you're disagreeing with? I can't tell whether you think patents are indeed for ideas rather than for embodiments, or whether you think the patent describes something other than encouraging teams to cooperate with their opponents, or whether you think VEX is not infringing the patent, or whether you think the patent is designed to keep others from using the invention, or whether you think FIRST intends to withhold permission for VEX to use a scheme that rewards teams for high opponent scores. The rest of your comment doesn't seem to clarify things.
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Also, claim 6 pertains to how to set the QPs for the losing alliance ("other alliance" is referring to the losing alliance referring to claim 5). I agree that you can't patent an idea. The claims in the patent do not explicitly cover the qualifying format used in VEX. In my limited experience working with patents, it doesn't take much to circumvent a patent. Changing a very minute detail is usual plenty enough to get around it. VEX using wins and losses and NOT adding winner's and loser's score together (as claimed in claim 5) should be way more than enough needed to win a court case, if it came down to it. This all being said, this is just an academic argument since I'd be shocked if FIRST ever tried to enforce the patent. |
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Re: Did VEX have to say Pretty Please?
Is it possible that the intent of this patent is not to divide the various organizations, but to provide a means to join them? I will agree with the idea that this patent is defensible in court is ludicrous, but it could be a political tool. Licensing 'coopertition' for $1 among the various organizations could provide a series of media bites to draw attention to S&T. It also provides a tangible reference to point at during the PR battle to promote change.
The question then becomes, will other organizations play ball with this idea... coopertition between organizations. Dean has said for a while that he thinks companies should behave more like the teams. FIRST can't take this to a corporate level by itself, it needs a partner. Perhaps licensing this patent is percieved as a way to demonstrate that. So did VEX have to say pretty please? Nah, but I wouldn't be surprised if somebody wants a dollar. |
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