Major Changes in FRC game year to year

[Jared Russell]

Originally Posted by Tetraman

There is only one major change that you could ever figure out on your own: Next year will be a different game.

Bring on the ultimate curveball: next year we are re-doing an old game.

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by Jared341

Bring on the ultimate curveball: next year we are re-doing an old game.

I'd love to do 2004 or 1999 part two.
I'd love it even more if old teams were allowed to re-submit old robots.

[Molten]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

I'd love to do 2004 or 1999 part two.
I'd love it even more if old teams were allowed to re-submit old robots.

The teams that made 1999 robots don't even exist today. I mean sure, several teams were around at that time. And sure, the numbers still exist at the same school. But the students aren't the same. And the students are what makes the team.

I'm not shooting down the idea of replaying a game.(I would bet against it, but I'm not saying it won't happen) However, I just wanted to point out the fallacies of old teams using old robots.

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by Molten

The teams that made 1999 robots don't even exist today. I mean sure, several teams were around at that time. And sure, the numbers still exist at the same school. But the students aren't the same. And the students are what makes the team.

You can say the same thing about 2004. And that's exactly why I feel it would be cool to re-use those old robots. Because the students who worked on them AREN'T there anymore. It's not just breaking out an old toy again, it's learning and understand what someone else engineered and why they did things they way they did.

[IKE]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

You can say the same thing about 2004. And that's exactly why I feel it would be cool to re-use those old robots. Because the students who worked on them AREN'T there anymore. It's not just breaking out an old toy again, it's learning and understand what someone else engineered and why they did things they way they did.

In racing they have vintage races where historic racecars run around the track in what is really a glorified High Speed parade. This could be neat to see some of the old CD47 machines brought down off the wall to face off with or against the "vintage" 33 machines hanging out in the basement. Do you get 6 weeks to fire up those old beasts? I know team 33's rule tune with bungee means that many of our machines more than 2 years old would require some major rework.

[Mr. Pockets]

It also probably won't be a water game ^_^

[viking]

The only constant is change.

I also figure that we will not go over the 120 lb max limit. I have heard from several sources; over that amount additional OSHA rules kick in for the operation of the machine.

Seven months until kick off

[Carol]

Originally Posted by Molten

The teams that made 1999 robots don't even exist today. I mean sure, several teams were around at that time. And sure, the numbers still exist at the same school. But the students aren't the same. And the students are what makes the team.

But in many cases the mentors are the same. In 2000 and 2004 we had hanging bots; if we have another one next year, I bet a lot of older teams (yes, mine would be one of them) will go back to the old designs and evaluate what worked and what didn't. Which wouldn't necessarily give them an advantage!

[Molten]

Originally Posted by Carol

But in many cases the mentors are the same.

I would presume this to be the case for most teams. However, the mentors don't really make the team. The students do. (arguable I know...so just consider that an opinion.) I don't consider it to be a major advantage to be able to look at old robots. However, to take a part off of an old robot and put it on a new robot...this is a big advantage. One that the rule books now prohibit. The idea suggested by Lil' Lavery would be doing this with the entire robot.