pic: Team 221 LLC. - Wild Swerve Module

[Jared Russell]

Does anyone from Team 221 LLC have weight information on these (I understanding that they are prototypes)?

[EricH]

You know, this could be a really effective teaching tool. Simply get a set pre-season and play with it. See if it's worth doing swerve, get some practice, reverse engineer the pods, improve them, etc. Then, when it's time for the season, you can design your own (or order and mod) much more easily and effectively.

Think of this as like training wheels on a bicycle. They help you balance until you're ready to do the real thing.

[ttldomination]

Would these modules be FIRST legal? Like if a team would purchase these items...technically they're not "off the shelf" items...I'm not too familiar about the rules on this.

Just a though.

[Andrew Schreiber]

Originally Posted by ttldomination

Would these modules be FIRST legal? Like if a team would purchase these items...technically they're not "off the shelf" items...I'm not too familiar about the rules on this.

Just a though.

The should fall under the same category as AndyMark transmissions or Team221's other products. [Standard disclaimer about rules changing year to year here]

EDIT: In response to Cory below me:

I have to second the feeling that more teams moving reliably is a good thing. Using the Kettering Rookie Regional in 2008 as an example we only had 1 machine not move reliably, the reason? They tried to do a crab drive their first year out and refused to accept any help (No I will not reveal who they were, I simply do not recall). To teams that feel asking for help or using something that is already in place makes you 'less' a team I am going to tell you something, ASK FOR HELP! Anthony and the rest of Team221 are willing to help and you should never turn aside help. I have struggled most of my life about asking for help, after my first couple negative reviews I quickly swallowed my pride and take assistance when I need it. Pride cometh before the fall. If you think for one second that if 330 were building a swerve drive and needed help and they had access to one of 111's old robots they wouldn't peek under the tie-dye you are hopelessly mistake (330 was used as an example I have no affiliation nor can I be 100% sure I am correct, please take this as it was intended and don't be offended. Thank You) There is nothing wrong with admitting you don't know, many people, myself included, will respect a person more for admitting they don't know than making something up.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber

Pride cometh before the fall. If you think for one second that if 330 were building a swerve drive and needed help and they had access to one of 111's old robots they wouldn't peek under the tie-dye you are hopelessly mistake (330 was used as an example I have no affiliation nor can I be 100% sure I am correct, please take this as it was intended and don't be offended. Thank You)

No offense taken. (Also note that we have yet to do a true swerve...) And yes, we'd do our homework, also known as looking at the various swerve designs out there and seeing what's good, what's not, asking why it was done this way instead of that way, etc.

And as long as the rules don't preclude the use of a pre-built swerve module, I don't care who makes it and/or sells it.

[R.C.]

Great product guys. I really love the design, there is really no point to debate the issue. As Cory stated earlier, how many people make swerves? I know my team first started out by buying the super shifter and learning from it. Buying off the shelf parts are great for learning. I know my team will buy it and play around with the idea. But I'm pretty sure that my team will stick with 6wd (cough, 8wd was kewl to try). But AJ, that is a super sweet product and best of luck man.

-RC