pic: Team 221 LLC. - Wild Swerve Module

[IKE]

Originally Posted by Jared341

Until FRC kits come with CNC machines, state of the art build facilities, a $10,000 voucher for McMaster, and clones of Paul Copioli and Andy Baker, a level playing field will never be an issue.

Anxiously awaiting PC and AB clones. I saw the JVN one, but heard it was limited edition and not included in next years kit. Is AndyMark supplying AB clones?

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...light=JVN+doll

[JesseK]

Originally Posted by IKE

Anxiously awaiting PC and AB clones. I saw the JVN one, but heard it was limited edition and not included in next years kit. Is AndyMark supplying AB clones?

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...light=JVN+doll

I'll take a AB Bobble-Head any day!

[Enigma's puzzle]

So here is the real kicker.

Now that anyone one with a little cash and some programing prowess can have a Swerve drive quite similar to WildStang, What does WildStang have? So much hard work to perfect, suddenly handed to the opposition? Not that they aren't smart enough to come up with new ideas.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Enigma's puzzle

So here is the real kicker.

Now that anyone one with a little cash and some programing prowess can have a Swerve drive quite similar to WildStang, What does WildStang have? So much hard work to perfect, suddenly handed to the opposition? Not that they aren't smart enough to come up with new ideas.

What do you do after making a design public?
Improve it!

What do you do when you give your opponents a weapon?
Come up with a better one or a way to beat it!

What is Wildstang going to do, you ask?
Make their drivetrains better!

[Andrew Schreiber]

Originally Posted by Enigma's puzzle

So here is the real kicker.

Now that anyone one with a little cash and some programing prowess can have a Swerve drive quite similar to WildStang, What does WildStang have? So much hard work to perfect, suddenly handed to the opposition? Not that they aren't smart enough to come up with new ideas.

Yes, we can all have a swerve drive similar to 111's. We still do not have their experience with it. They have built swerving machines for as long as I can remember, they know the strengths and weaknesses of this style of play. They know how to integrate these strengths into their strategy.

A good robot is only half the formula for winning. Again using my favorite example of a good robot and an amazing strategy, 1114 in 2008 was NOT the best robot. They were the best team. They had a great strategy and a robot designed to implement that strategy. Yes we can now all have a 111 style drive, we can all have shifting transmissions, we can all have PID loops in our controls. Doesn't change the fact that unless you know how to use something it does you no good.


(As usual, my disclaimers about not picking on 1114 apply here. They were a fantastic machine but they did not win because of that.)

[JVN]

Originally Posted by Enigma's puzzle

What does WildStang have?

Let's see:

• 14 years of experience
• A two time Championship winning coach (probably the second most intimidating coach in FIRST)
• Some of the best programmers in the competition
• Some of the best robot designers in the competition

I think they'll be okay.
Maybe when team221 has those things for sale Stang will be in trouble.

[Aren_Hill]

Originally Posted by JVN

Let's see:[list]
[*]A two time Championship winning coach (probably the second most intimidating coach in FIRST)

Gotta ask, who's #1

[Andrew Schreiber]

Originally Posted by Aren_Hill

Gotta ask, who's #1

In my opinion, * Beatty. I don't care if 71 puts out a 120lb block of steel that doesn't move, when they are on the field you respect their ability to beat you.


(For any of you who don't get the *, it is commonly used as a wildcard operator, so I am saying that any Beatty scares me)

[Collin Fultz]

Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber

In my opinion, Bill Beatty. I don't care if 71 puts out a 120lb block of steel that doesn't move, when they are on the field you respect their ability to beat you.

While I agree that you have to give Mr. Bill all of the respect he has earned, Brian Beatty is actually the drive coach for 71, not Bill.

[Aren_Hill]

I'd say from my experience its either Raul Olivera or Paul Copioli

Only intimidating the first couple times lol after you get over that they're simply formidable

[Akash Rastogi]

I've heard that Patton can be quite intimidating as well as Raul. And yes, Brian Beatty is pretty awesome and intimidating to work with.

[EricH]

If any Beatty, Copioli, Olivera (there are two, one in tie-dye and one not), or Baker is behind the opposite glass, you really need to have your A game. If more than one of the above is behind the opposite glass, you better hope that another of the above is next to you and you have your A game.

[Chris is me]

Originally Posted by EricH

If any Beatty, Copioli, Olivera (there are two, one in tie-dye and one not), or Baker is behind the opposite glass, you really need to have your A game. If more than one of the above is behind the opposite glass, you better hope that another of the above is next to you and you have your A game.

The chance to work with these coaches is actually one of the reasons I pushed so hard for my team to go to IRI this year. It's too bad I had to work against Mr. Beatty instead of with him. That gave me the shivers.

(Of course, Beatty won.)

[Alan Anderson]

Originally Posted by Enigma's puzzle

What does WildStang have?

Stronger competition.

Just to be clear, that's a good thing.

[Enigma's puzzle]

I just think that putting the designs out there publicly was there own choice. However, someone cutting you all of the pieces and sending it to you in a nice box, is a completely different application. At least you then had to integrate it,and had the opportunity to fix and/or diminish flaws in the original design, unlike the pre-made one the only thing you have to work out is the steering, and they provide that if you want it. I believe we are getting too close to the complete mobility system. My team is beginning to look into a swerve drive, and I personally hope they take the time to make there own, instead of this off the shelf model. But that is my own humble opinion.


(However i did see the "Revolution design". Which in my opinion at least gives you a sporting dilemma of driving and turning the module.)

And I would definately have to say Kyle Hughes is the most intimidating female coach, and could even rank up there with these heavy weights you are throwing out there, with the always terrific RUSH strategy.