[BB]: Regional Variations & Bagging It

[artdutra04]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

That's a hard argument to justify without knowing the gameplay mechanics, rules, or field layout of a game.

But it is justifiable based upon Regional and District Event sizes, which are known right now.

Having 4x4 in a 32 team event, would mean 8 on the field, 8 on deck, and another 8 in the hole. That's 24 teams, out of 32 available. That means you're competing about once every four matches. Assuming there is a [generous] six minute total time for each match cycle, that means on average you would only be in your pit 6 out of every 24 minutes.

That might not be a big deal for veteran powerhouse teams which have 50+ students, but for anything less this would be a nightmare scenario.

[dlavery]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

Considering how full a 6 robot field is even in Lunacy, which had basically an empty field, barring stuff like alternate disablement or something I can't really see how 4v4 would work. Apparently it will though?

Though if the game is 4v4 wouldn't FIRST's Championship planning show 5 regional winners per event? This would at least give us advance notice.

Originally Posted by artdutra04

But it is justifiable based upon Regional and District Event sizes, which are known right now.

Having 4x4 in a 32 team event, would mean 8 on the field, 8 on deck, and another 8 in the hole. That's 24 teams, out of 32 available. That means you're competing about once every four matches. Assuming there is a [generous] six minute total time for each match cycle, that means on average you would only be in your pit 6 out of every 24 minutes.

That might not be a big deal for veteran powerhouse teams which have 50+ students, but for anything less this would be a nightmare scenario.

To support the argument that 4x4 would be difficult/impossible, aren't you making an awful lot of assumptions here? The argument only holds water if virtually every other aspect of the game/competition remains the same. To whit:
- What if the number of robots per team is not limited to one?
- What happens if the size of the robots is significantly reduced?
- What happens if the length of a match is significantly extended?
- What happens if the size of the field is altered/increased?
- What happens if the performance envelope of the robots is not limited to a single two dimensional surface?

Just a few thoughts to consider.

-dave


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[Chris Fultz]

Originally Posted by dlavery

To support the argument that 4x4 would be difficult/impossible, aren't you making an awful lot of assumptions here? The argument only holds water if virtually every other aspect of the game/competition remains the same. To whit:
- What if the number of robots per team is not limited to one?
- What happens if the size of the robots is significantly reduced?
- What happens if the length of a match is significantly extended?
- What happens if the size of the field is altered/increased?
- What happens if the performance envelope of the robots is not limited to a single two dimensional surface?

Just a few thoughts to consider.

-dave .

Well now, should I move this to a "game hint" thread ...

[JesseK]

Originally Posted by dlavery

- What if the number of robots per team is not limited to one?
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The ensuing conundrum of game strategies hurts my head.

I wouldn't doubt the robot sizes have been reduced, with a reduced maximum weight requirement as well. Transporting a bot and tools was a large piece of our budget last year.

Though if the game is 4v4 wouldn't FIRST's Championship planning show 5 regional winners per event? This would at least give us advance notice.

I think this is an excellent point, except for the fact that the competition format isn't released until kickoff as part of the game manual. This means that behind closed doors they may already be accounting for additional qualified teams yet haven't announced or released the info.

[Chris is me]

Originally Posted by dlavery

To support the argument that 4x4 would be difficult/impossible, aren't you making an awful lot of assumptions here? The argument only holds water if virtually every other aspect of the game/competition remains the same. To whit:
- What if the number of robots per team is not limited to one?

This particular assumption is made based on the premise "10 matches at a regional is feasible because the game puts 8 teams on a field instead of 6".

- What happens if the size of the robots is significantly reduced?
- What happens if the length of a match is significantly extended?
- What happens if the performance envelope of the robots is not limited to a single two dimensional surface?

Stop making me think so hard!

[Robert Cawthon]

Originally Posted by dlavery

To support the argument that 4x4 would be difficult/impossible ...
- What happens if the size of the robots is significantly reduced?

I think this was discussed in the Rumor Mill about next year's game. Some interesting thoughts there. Worth looking at.