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No Discount on Jaguar Controllers

I know this was discussed a couple of months ago, but just to repeat and clarify for everyone, I just confirmed with Digi-Key that the discount FRC price of $73.33 for Jaguar controllers is no longer in effect, and that orders will appear at the standard $109 price.

This order screen for the discounted price is still active
http://ordering.digikey.com/Promotio...mpetition.aspx
and still states the $73.33 price, but when you place an order it will come up as $109. I talked with them on the phone, and they seemed a bit surprised that the promotion was still listed, and I seemed to be the first one who had inquired about it. I warned them that the link to the promotion has been widely shared and the $73.33 widely discussed in the FRC community, so they will likely be getting many more questions about it.

Evidently has something to do with Luminary being sold (to TI?) and that a discount had not been negotiated with the new supplier. She speculated that a discount might be established for the 2010 season, but didn't know if it would. We were ordering them for some prototype work, but if you don't really need your Jaguars early, I would suggest waiting to see if a discount is arranged at some later date. No prediction that it will.

Chime in if anyone has a different experience or any other information.
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Re: No Discount on Jaguar Controllers

You might want to hold off purchasing anything until official plans are released for CAN and the new Jaguars. See http://forums.usfirst.org/showthread.php?t=12983 and http://forums.usfirst.org/showthread.php?t=13313

The previous thead on this is here: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=78097
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Re: No Discount on Jaguar Controllers

We are assuming that since the rookie KOP includes 4 Jags and the veteran KOP only 2, they will be functionally identicle to last year. Perhaps the reason for the $109 price and the end of the $73 discount is because they will now be shipping the TI-label Black Jag. We'll let you know what we recieve (only ordered one).
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I have been through this with Digikey as well. Their first response was that I should note the discount in order notes. Alas when I did that a sales rep called me at 6:00AM to inform me that the promotional price had ended on July 21st.
Word about termination of the promotional pricing has not reached all of Digikey's sales staff.

Also Digikey lists 4100 more Jaguars in stock than they listed last week. I suspect that any further decisions will be related to firmware. I am hopeful that the FRC pricing is coming back.
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Re: No Discount on Jaguar Controllers

I wonder how replacement is going to work now? We had a Jaguar go wonky in an exhibition a week ago....would be nice to get another one.
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Re: No Discount on Jaguar Controllers

Howdy!

As you probably know by now, we were acquired by Texas Instruments on May 15, 2009. Therefore, all the distribution arrangements we had with Digi-Key (and all our other distributors) have gone through a "recalibration" to conform to the long-standing TI arrangements with TI distributors. This means that we temporarily had to put the program on hold. That said, we plan to offer a promotional discount again to FRC teams, so stay tuned for details. For those that remember me from last season, you hopefully can count on me to provide the most up-to-date information on the forums.

Expected launch date for Black Jag is late December.

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Unread 10-11-2009, 12:35
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Re: No Discount on Jaguar Controllers

Thanks Scott...and certainly many of us DO remember you.
Your information, equipment and attitude should not go un-noticed.
Thanks for the update on the Black (actually green) Jag.

Thanks again for all you and Luminary has done for FIRST...
Now its refreshing to see TI step up too!!
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Re: No Discount on Jaguar Controllers

If the company was bought out the discount getting removed wouldn't surprise me. It's likely that FIRST will have to renegotiate such things. Personally, considering the reliability (or lack thereof) of the Jags, I hope that the Veteran and Rookie get the same number of them.

We've had all 6 of our Jaguars (the 4 we started with and 2 replacements) blow out/stop working, we eventually got fed up with it and switched back to Victors which have never given us any problems (In my 5+ years in FIRST, I think we've only blown a Victor once, probably due to debris falling in it at that).
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Re: No Discount on Jaguar Controllers

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I have been through this with Digikey as well. Their first response was that I should note the discount in order notes. Alas when I did that a sales rep called me at 6:00AM to inform me that the promotional price had ended on July 21st.
Word about termination of the promotional pricing has not reached all of Digikey's sales staff.

Also Digikey lists 4100 more Jaguars in stock than they listed last week. I suspect that any further decisions will be related to firmware. I am hopeful that the FRC pricing is coming back.
The Digi-Key sales rep told me today that my order for a Jag is backordered. Said their expected recieve date was 11/5/09 so they are late, but they expect them any day. Not sure how this jives with your information of 4100 in stock. It would seem the transition with ownership, design, and pricing of Jags is somewhat in flux right now. Hopefully the pipeline and pricing will all be straightened out soon. We needed this one now for prototyping, but will certainly hold off on any others.
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Re: No Discount on Jaguar Controllers

How will the new jags differ from old jags? Is there going to be a way to update the firmware on old ones or is there a hardware change?

I have 14 unused jags that we bought last year and decided because of reliability issues to stick with victors. If your team needs any now let me know..
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Re: No Discount on Jaguar Controllers

I love the jag's, however the failure rate leaves me concerned for the 2010 season. Could some one from the company confirm that the hardware has changed to address this issue.
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Re: No Discount on Jaguar Controllers

We have had zero Jag failures and none of the other 6 teams in the Mid-Willamette Valley have reported failure. Maybe it's operator difficulty?
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Re: No Discount on Jaguar Controllers

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We have had zero Jag failures and none of the other 6 teams in the Mid-Willamette Valley have reported failure. Maybe it's operator difficulty?
We had 2 Jag failures last year. One was during competition, right after we took a side hit the Jag didn't work. The other just stopped working during build season while we were testing. Everything was wired, connected and working before they stopped working.
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Re: No Discount on Jaguar Controllers

I"m pretty sure most failures are not operator error...and if they are, that is just further evidence that the part should have a more robust design.
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Re: No Discount on Jaguar Controllers

The Black Jaguar currently undergoing beta testing has many hardware improvements over the 2009 version. We should begin to hear from the teams testing these components soon.
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