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Re: [BB] 2010 Game Hint #1

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my guess is there gonna be connected together like in the attached image and its going to be used as a rail system for balls. I sized it out and depending on the scale it should be about a 4.5 inch - 5 inch ball that fits inside of it easily.
That looks good; however, I don't think it will involve balls, there are 3 holes that look like they would be used to mount something/things. Maybe hooks? or something to collect an item?
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Re: [BB] 2010 Game Hint #1

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And.. why isnt this is the rumour mill like it usually is? Its hard to find here
As far as where it was in years past, I don't remember, and I'm not awake enough yet to want to go look, but my answer to your question would be that it's technically not a rumor...the hint picture is an officially released document from FIRST. Much like the "what do they mean by rule X?" discussions that will be starting in a few short weeks, what is being discussed is not a rumor, but rather an interpretation of official documentation.
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Re: [BB] 2010 Game Hint #1

Finally a game hint! So excited!
Can't believe i read all the 14 pages 'till now...
So i'm gonna say something obvious that wasn't mentioned so far (i like the track idea, btw):

It's the letter "H".
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Re: [BB] 2010 Game Hint #1

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That looks good; however, I don't think it will involve balls, there are 3 holes that look like they would be used to mount something/things. Maybe hooks? or something to collect an item?
I think that the holes in the "rails" are access points for attaching the yellow "lexan" piece to the rails. The holes in the lexan are for possibly mounting to a support system (not as likely, if others are correct that this is lexan because it would add expense but not be durable enough for robot interactions) or a sensor (maybe to count balls by color, or something like that, as someone mentioned about a hundred posts ago). Either way, if these are linked together, there would be pipes between two of these elements that are seen. The posts that stick out near the ends from each rail are likely used to attach to another element, and the shown piece does not look like it can attach to another of itself. It has male connectors at each end, and would need to connect to a female connector (if the theory about linking these together is correct).

And don't forget - all the stuff about about reflection/refraction of the images could be the clue, and not the pictured element at all. What if the drivers area wall were contstructed in a manner that skewed the vision of the drivers? That would certainly add a new element to the game - driving by remote camera or other indirect sensor of robot position.
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my guess is there gonna be connected together like in the attached image and its going to be used as a rail system for balls. I sized it out and depending on the scale it should be about a 4.5 inch - 5 inch ball that fits inside of it easily.


Thats exactly what I was thinking also as far as attaching them together. I think the plastic part is the mount for a hanging game piece, and the game will be like sonic the hedgehog where you go around trying to collect rings.
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Re: [BB] 2010 Game Hint #1

Oh, it doesn't really matter how many clues are given in this year's or last year's kick-off speaches. If a new field element is floating on the screen behind Dean while they are doing the pre-release talks, you either won't be listening to the talk, you still won't kow what it means until they release the game details 15 minutes later, and your team will not be any further ahead of the other teams. Other than for pure prognostic enjoyment, and to get everyone thinking about how they might handle situations that they surmise from the clue, the hints have little purpose and should be kept in perspective. That being said, I figured out the entire game last night, but then I woke up and promptly forgot it all. I would do the CAD of our robot now, but I haven't been able to CAD a nebulous design. I don't think that "cloud" is one of the parts in the AI Content Center.
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Thats exactly what I was thinking also as far as attaching them together. I think the plastic part is the mount for a hanging game piece, and the game will be like sonic the hedgehog where you go around trying to collect rings.
If the Lexan is indeed a mount for a hanging game piece, I would hope that the goal wouldn't be to hang things through the holes. That would be a little TOO precise, even for FIRST. Now, if we had to, say, get hoops to land on on the little hump at the top of the Lexan...

Anyone up for some horseshoes? I can see these being placed at different points of the field, and we would have to find a way to get hoops on them, or something of the like.
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Re: [BB] 2010 Game Hint #1

Could you assume the size of the assembly by the nylock nuts on the drawing? They look like 1/4x20 and they must be using and allen head screw inside. The ball can not be too big other wise they would not need the curve cut out in the braket piece.
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Re: [BB] 2010 Game Hint #1

So stress wise, do you think that the "lexan" could hold the bars in place with say, a bowling ball? Or would its weight split the lexan? Because I am terrified of bowling balls as game pieces.
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Re: [BB] 2010 Game Hint #1

Depends on the weight. A six pound ball would be fine, but a sixteen pound ball can do some damage.
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So i'm gonna say something obvious that wasn't mentioned so far (i like the track idea, btw):

It's the letter "H".
I thought of that, and it is a possibility, if a bit of a stretch. That would certainly go with the idea of it's not what it seems. Things that start with H? Ham? Holes? Hijacking? Humbug.

If it is a track, the "bracket" probably would attach to something to hold it up, like a pole, which would make it difficult for the robot to manipulate the balls from directly underneath. It seems more likely that it needs to be manipulated from the side, thus, it probably won't be mounted high, but more waist height. That's my two cents.
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So stress wise, do you think that the "lexan" could hold the bars in place with say, a bowling ball? Or would its weight split the lexan? Because I am terrified of bowling balls as game pieces.
After several near disasters from those heavy flying tetras I seriously doubt that the GDC will ever do anything that will involve potentially heavy projectiles again.
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Re: [BB] 2010 Game Hint #1

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Assuming it's a ball track, here is a picture showing the relative size of things (from what I could gather from the picture), and the possible size of the ball.

Note that the 8.25" width of the lexan is from outside to outside.

Sorry for the messy dimensioning. I did this quickly.

Nice job. If that's the case, we have a possibility for a soft, safe ball to use. If anyone remembers playing polo back in elementary school, you should recognize these:
http://pe.ssww.com/store/product/sku=W4789/cmc=CRSCOM/

Could probably even downgrade to the 6" balls:
http://pe.ssww.com/store/product/sku=W4794/cmc=CRSCOM/
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Re: [BB] 2010 Game Hint #1

My thoughts are it is a holder of some kind of game piece... squares or triangular game pieces have been rare the past few years.

Also it seems as though it could take some abuse but very limited, I think the track idea is possible. This would give it limited interaction with the robots below.

As far as the floor, it could be anything, I'd say they'll keep us guessing every year to ruin our pre-designed drive trains. But I love the idea of railroad tracks or something like them.

Also the hanging on the pipes idea... I like it but it would be very similar to last years game...so...
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Re: [BB] 2010 Game Hint #1

I've been thinking, everyone has slept in this morning but me, and what if the nubs are pushed in and inside another tube and sitting vertical and say that there are several stacked on top of each other. Then they must be released and lifted up creating a vertical row of shelves that create pockets for objects to be scored in.

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