2010 Game Hint #2

[Karibou]

Originally Posted by DUCKY

It is missing the Plexiglas/Lexan sections that have protected the sides of the field for the last 3 or 4 years though.

Maybe they just removed that to make the objects in this image more visible? I don't know why they would decide to be THAT nice, though.

This is only my 3rd year in FRC. I've always known the field with the plastic siding. Was that nonexistent in previous years?

[Peter Matteson]

Originally Posted by Karibou

This is only my 3rd year in FRC. I've always known the field with the plastic siding. Was that nonexistent in previous years?

The plastic siding has more or less been game object dependent.
2003 - boxes, no siding
2004 - 13" diamter balls, siding
2005 - Tertras, no siding
2006 - Poof balls, siding
etc.

I wouldn't read into this too much though because we don't know the detail level of the render. Siding may have been left off for clarity so we would see something else.

[Karibou]

Originally Posted by Peter Matteson

The plastic siding has more or less been game object dependent.
2003 - boxes, no siding
2004 - 13" diamter balls, siding
2005 - Tertras, no siding
2006 - Poof balls, siding
etc.

I wouldn't read into this too much though because we don't know the detail level of the render. Siding may have been left off for clarity so we would see something else.

I had guessed that it would likely be there if we were dealing with smaller objects/balls.
Hey, this may be a game trend that actually makes sense!

[the man]

If you zoom in the yellow things are conected to a special square tubing while they other sides are cirular, they are defently part of the game or somthing.

[Robert Cawthon]

Originally Posted by the man

If you zoom in the yellow things are conected to a special square tubing while they other sides are cirular, they are defently part of the game or somthing.

Nope. The round tubes go from top to bottom of the rail. The square one goes to a plate on the floor at an angle from the top rail (to form a triangle for support) to keep the rail from falling outwards when hit by a bot. Nice try, though. Thinking outside the box.

[ehochstein]

I think the GDC is sending us a message -- "HI" -- if you tilt them both the same amount it spells out that message ^^

[rulesall2]

Originally Posted by the man

If you zoom in the yellow things are conected to a special square tubing while they other sides are cirular, they are defently part of the game or somthing.

no, if you look at the link above ^^ from last year, it was connected the same way. although as this becomes picked apart, more details will come out like this one.

As stated by Bob Steele said earlier, it could just be a change in the design of the corners that requires the change in the number of plates. Also, due to the zoom, it is impossible to locate the access point. I am speculating a third gate though...

A side note, use spell check.

EDIT: Last year had the ball corral areas for empty cells, that could have been the reason two yellow plates were not needed, as the bar crossing the corner created enough support.

[XXShadowXX]

Am I the only person happy to be back on carpet... That's all I needed to see.

[Peter Matteson]

Originally Posted by XXShadowXX

Am I the only person happy to be back on carpet... That's all I needed to see.

In 8 years of mentoring one thing I have learned is this:
Students can learn to drive on whatever they give us.

Ramps, carpet, grating, HDPE, lexan, diamond plate, regolith, other robots the driver station wall, referees, stairs, Dean, the bar, goals, the scorer's table, you name it, I've watched robots somehow manage to drive on it at events over the last few years.

As far as I'm concerned the surface we play on is is of minor consequence and easily overcome compared to what the game object is.

[ChuckDickerson]

It doesn't matter if it is carpet or not. Last year there was still carpet under the Regolith. Just because it isn't in the picture doesn't mean it isn't there. They can always put Regolith or something else on top of the carpet. For all that picture shows it could just be concrete with the carpet or whatever playing surface left out.

[FRC1612]

Originally Posted by DeepWater

It doesn't matter if it is carpet or not. Last year there was still carpet under the Regolith. Just because it isn't in the picture doesn't mean it isn't there. They can always put Regolith or something else on top of the carpet. For all that picture shows it could just be concrete with the carpet or whatever playing surface left out.

Looking at the game hint ... they probably rotated the image at an angle to show as much carpet(flooring) as possible without showing the game elements or anything else on the field.

Really measuring to the amount of carpet left outside the field im gonna have to say this is at least half the field in the clue... So unless the corners of the field are a different material. Im gonna have to say the whole field is carpet(or whatever flooring is in the picture).

Something new i noticed is that the ramp unlike past years extends into the field when up... Not sure if this was just a mistake on the computer or not? it should be back a little so the bend is outside the field.

[Kimmeh]

We agreed that this year there won't be any robots this year. It will be all on the human player! We'll spend the next six weeks learning how to do the Robot dance.

[EricH]

I'm with Art on the side paneling. I distinctly remember a robot in AZ 2003 running on practice day, and something went haywire in automode. The robot went up the ramp, over the top, took a left on the other side, and right between the top and bottom rails of the field. It ended up under the bleachers before someone got to the E-Stop. Fortunately, nobody was hit.

Every year since then, there has been a shield of some form (wire or plastic) to prevent that. It isn't always shown on the drawings, though.

The amount of carpet outside the field is irrelevant, and even so, there isn't half the field shown. Usually there's no more than about a yard outside on either side, left from putting two rolls side-by-side and centering the field on them. That's no more than about a 3-4-yard section there total, at an unknown area of the field. It may in fact be the corners, or it may be the middle. Just as a note, those support pillars can (technically) go into just about any joint on the field border that isn't on the ends. And I think your angle is skewed; the ramp doesn't go into the field. Rather, there is a cutout in the lower part of the field border which can give that perception.

The key element is this: there is a gate in the side of the field. Next to that gate is clear of obstructions at the time shown in this CAD. Somewhere else on the field is the item in Hint #1. That is all we know at this time;usually, the rest of the hints come out on Saturday during Kickoff right before the curtain comes down.

[jerry w]

OK. Lets look at what is not there!
The track from hint #1 is not in hint #2.
so where is it? Well if the field is symmetrical then we can multiply the hint#2 view by 4. we are now seeing almost 1/3 of the total field surface. The area we cannot see is the middle and the two ends.
The track from hint #1 seemed to want to be attached to other pipe. Thus the long pair of pipe must be somewhere we cannot see. I suggest it be against the ends of the field. Because the lexan frame that holds the pipe would need to be mounted to some support.

[ATannahill]

Originally Posted by jerry w

OK. Lets look at what is not there!
The track from hint #1 is not in hint #2.
so where is it? Well if the field is symmetrical then we can multiply the hint#2 view by 4. we are now seeing almost 1/3 of the total field surface. The area we cannot see is the middle and the two ends.
The track from hint #1 seemed to want to be attached to other pipe. Thus the long pair of pipe must be somewhere we cannot see. I suggest it be against the ends of the field. Because the lexan frame that holds the pipe would need to be mounted to some support.

Your forgetting a third dimension.