Robot Dimension Clarification

[kirtar]

Yes, you can do this in a similar fashion as it was done last year (minus the whole trailer hitch thing). Since the frame perimeter can be determined by wrapping a string around your robot, the "concave" part will not be counted as a part of the perimeter. As long as the short parts in fronts have legal bumper you'll be fine.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by kirtar

As long as the short parts in fronts have legal bumper you'll be fine.

Not under the definition of "frame perimeter" and <R07-A>.

Originally Posted by Section 8.2

FRAME PERIMETER – the polygon defined by the outer-most set of exterior vertices on the ROBOT (without the BUMPERS attached) that are within the BUMPER ZONE. To determine the FRAME
PERIMETER, wrap a piece of string around the ROBOT at the level of the BUMPER ZONE - the string describes this polygon.

[Radical Pi]

Originally Posted by EricH

Not under the definition of "frame perimeter" and <R07-A>.

<R07-N> has a diagram showing the bumper can't go over the gap. Also the frame perimeter definition says "outermost verticies" That wouldn't count the gap, right?

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Radical Pi

<R07-N> has a diagram showing the bumper can't go over the gap. Also the frame perimeter definition says "outermost verticies" That wouldn't count the gap, right?

Look at the note with the definition. It says that the way you check is to wrap a string around the frame in the bumper zone. That's your Frame Perimeter. This includes gaps.

We had this debate last year over diagrams. They are meant to illustrate the rules that reference them, not be the rules. (Last year's Q&A)

In this case, Figure 8-3 is not referenced by <R07-N>; it's referenced by <R07-M>, which clearly states that the bumper must be supported by the frame/structure of the robot. Any bumper over a gap is not legal, and the robot will not be allowed to compete. The gap is included in the frame perimeter.

[Radical Pi]

Originally Posted by EricH

Look at the note with the definition. It says that the way you check is to wrap a string around the frame in the bumper zone. That's your Frame Perimeter. This includes gaps.

Exactly that though: string around the Bumper zone. It says nothing about pulling the string back for any gaps, leaving the frame perimeter as the outside edges of the robot. Since <R07-M> says it must be backed by the robot itself, it leaves the gap out

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Radical Pi

Exactly that though: string around the Bumper zone. It says nothing about pulling the string back for any gaps, leaving the frame perimeter as the outside edges of the robot. Since <R07-M> says it must be backed by the robot itself, it leaves the gap out

The string itself is the frame perimeter.

Originally Posted by Section 7

FRAME PERIMETER – the polygon defined by the outer-most set of exterior vertices on the ROBOT (without the BUMPERS attached) that are within the BUMPER ZONE. To determine the FRAME
PERIMETER, wrap a piece of string around the ROBOT at the level of the BUMPER ZONE - the string describes this polygon.

Therefore, any gap in the robot frame in the bumper zone must have a structural support running over it to support the bumper.

[McGurky]

Assuming that design would be a well for the ball to "settle in" do remember that bumpers must be between 10" and 16" of the ground. This allows enough room for your "ball well" to go beneath your bumpers.

Again assuming that well was for herding balls

-Mcgurky

[Guopeter]

Originally Posted by McGurky

Assuming that design would be a well for the ball to "settle in" do remember that bumpers must be between 10" and 16" of the ground. This allows enough room for your "ball well" to go beneath your bumpers.

Again assuming that well was for herding balls

-Mcgurky

Yes. I am fully aware of the bumper height.
The non-rectangular chassis design is for something else.

[CrazyCarl461]

This doesn't seem to be allowed even if the bumpers go completely around the edge of the concave portion. The wording is subtle but it doesn't seem like any concave configurations will be allowed at all by way of:

<R07>A: Bumpers must cover the entire FRAME PERIMETER

FRAME PERIMETER is determined using the string-wrap method (thus spanning the gap)

<R07>M: Bumpers can't span gaps where there is no physical frame on which to attach

[DonRotolo]

Originally Posted by McGurky

Assuming that design would be a well for the ball to "settle in" do remember that bumpers must be between 10" and 16" of the ground. This allows enough room for your "ball well" to go beneath your bumpers.

Originally Posted by CrazyCarl461

This doesn't seem to be allowed even if the bumpers go completely around the edge of the concave portion. The wording is subtle but it doesn't seem like any concave configurations will be allowed at all by way of:

<R07>A: Bumpers must cover the entire FRAME PERIMETER

FRAME PERIMETER is determined using the string-wrap method (thus spanning the gap)

<R07>M: Bumpers can't span gaps where there is no physical frame on which to attach

If the robot has such a gap, it can't be behind the bumpers. So if you want the gap in the 0" to 9.99 inch above the floor area, should be OK. At bumper height the frame can't have the gap in my interpretation.

This is my opinion, which is worthless for any FRC competition.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Don Rotolo

If the robot has such a gap, it can't be behind the bumpers. So if you want the gap in the 0" to 9.99 inch above the floor area, should be OK. At bumper height the frame can't have the gap in my interpretation.

This is my opinion, which is worthless for any FRC competition.

And it's even more worthless if the ball goes more than 3" into the frame. (<G46> specifies 1 penalty for such action.)

But yes, no gaps at bumper height is my interpretation too.

[indubitably]

now can you use guiding bars to guide the ball to the middle of the bot beneath the bumpers, of course using only 3 inches of the ball.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by indubitably

now can you use guiding bars to guide the ball to the middle of the bot beneath the bumpers, of course using only 3 inches of the ball.

If the ball gets more than 3 inches under the frame, then no. Otherwise, I don't see a problem with it.