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Possible Penalties

What are all of the possible penalties?

We're trying grade our drivers test and having a full list would make the process a lot faster.
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Re: Possible Penalties

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What are all of the possible penalties?

We're trying grade our drivers test and having a full list would make the process a lot faster.
Here are the rules that will give you a penalty/card for violation:
<S01>, penalty/disable
<S02>, red card
<S04>, penalty/yellow

<G16>, <S04> invoked
<G20-B>, penalty
<G20-C>, penalty
<G21>, penalty
<G22>, penalty
<G23>, double penalty
<G24-A>, penalty
<G24-C>, penalty
<G25.1>, penalty and no effect (descoring rule)
<G26>, disable
<G27>, disable after a time
<G28>, penalty
<G29>, disable
<G30>, disable
<G32-E>, penalty
<G32-F>, penalty
<G32-G>, penalty
(note--<G32> is the contact rule, which says that any contact may be penalized or red-carded
<G33>, disable/red card
<G34>, penalty
<G35>, red card
<G37>, penalty
<G38>, penalty
<G39>, penalty
<G40>, <G40-A>, penalties
<G40-C>, <S02> invoked
<G41>, disable and red card

I leave you to read the listed rules to find out just what the actions are that will trigger a penalty.
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Re: Possible Penalties

Thanks, this will make things much easier .
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Re: Possible Penalties

I'm sure the way Eric found these was to search the manual pdf's for the partial word "penalt" (that way, you get both singular and plural). Don't forget to use the latest versions of the files, because there have been 2 or 3 added since kickoff.
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Re: Possible Penalties

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I'm sure the way Eric found these was to search the manual pdf's for the partial word "penalt" (that way, you get both singular and plural). Don't forget to use the latest versions of the files, because there have been 2 or 3 added since kickoff.
Actually, I didn't. I scanned through, looking for PENALTY and any hints of "disable" and "disqualified". In retrospect, I should have used the search, but didn't.
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Re: Possible Penalties

ok... so what degree of contact is considered illegal?

Obviously, robots bump into robots. You cant help that. But can a robot initiate contact with another robot, even if minor?
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ok... so what degree of contact is considered illegal?

Obviously, robots bump into robots. You cant help that. But can a robot initiate contact with another robot, even if minor?
Of course a robot can initiate contact with an opponent. You are allowed to pin for up to 5 seconds (<G39>); how would you do that without contact?

Look at <G36>, <G37> and <G38> regarding allowable and disallowed robot contact.
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What are all of the possible penalties?

We're trying grade our drivers test and having a full list would make the process a lot faster.
When considering penalties, we feel it is important to consider the red and yellow flag situations that arise AND the carry-forward status that results. Namely, if you are flagged in Q-1 (red or yellow) then you'll start out yellow flagged in Q-2. (general case: flag in Q-n means yellow flag in Q-n+1 where n<6) Unlike yellow cards in soccer play, once carded at FRC tournament your team remains under scrutiny for the rest of the qualification round.
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Re: Possible Penalties

That is why I believe in the 1st few weeks, we will see a lot of 0-0 matches. Penalties will play a hugh roll this year, even more so than 2008.
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Re: Possible Penalties

Figure I may as well compile a list for this year...
Just remember, I will only give the rule number and what the penalty is. You get to read the rule to find out what the penalty is for.

Section 9:
<T14>, Yellow Card
<T15>, Yellow Card

Section 7:
<S01>, Penalty, disablement
<S02-A>, Penalty, disablement
<S02-B>, Penalty
<S04>, Penalty, potential Yellow Card (Note: this penalty may also include a trip to the inspection station to deal with any Section 8 issues.)
<G10>, no robot participation in the match for the offender
<G11>, arbitrary repositioning by the Head Referee
<G12>, Penalty, Yellow Card
<G15>, Penalty
<G16>, Penalty, Yellow Card
<G17>, Penalty, plus 1 Penalty per 2 additional seconds that a ball isn't returned
<G19>, Penalty, Yellow Card
<G20>, disablement
<G22>, Penalty, disablement
<G23>, Penalty, disablement
<G24>, warning, disablement if disregarded
<G26>, potential disablement and/or potential trip back to inspection
<G28>, 2 Penalties, plus 2 penalties and a Yellow Card for first contact, plus 2 penalties per contact after initial contact
<G29>, Penalty, plus Red Card if remedy not immediately attempted
<G30>, Penalty, Yellow Card
<G31>, Penalty, Red Card if intentional or damaging
<G32>, Penalty, Red Card if intentional
<G33>, Penalty
<G34>, Penalty, Red Card if intentional
<G35>, Penalty, Red Card if intentional
<G36>, Yellow Card
<G38-A>, Penalty, Red Card if egregious or damaging
<G38-B>, Penalty, Red Card
<G39>, Penalty per violation
<G40>, disablement if damaging, dangerous, or repeated, Red Card if intentional
<G41>, Penalty, Red Card if play impeded
<G41-A>, Penalty
<G42>, Yellow Card
<G43>, Penalty
<G44>, 2 Penalties per ball
<G45>, Penalty
<G46>, Penalty, Yellow Card if no attempt to remedy
<G47>, 2 Penalties per ball
<G49>, Penalty (unless operator or console safety is an issue)
<G50>, Penalty
<G51>, disablement, Red Card
<G52>, potential Red Card

28 separate Penalties possible (3 double penalties contingent on number of items affected)
11 separate Yellow Cards possible
11 separate Red Cards possible
9 separate disablements possible
2-3 other minor penalties possible
Multiple combination penalties

Compared to last year's:
21 Penalties (1 double penalty)
2 Yellow Card
4 Red Cards
7 disablements
Few combination penalties.
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