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842 Final Kicker Desgin

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We can do consecutive shot with 5 seconds between shots without having to wait for air to reload, we will also have these mounted on all four sides.
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Re: 842 Final Kicker Desgin

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... we will also have these mounted on all four sides.
Is there a chance the kickers on different sides will work for different distances, like right next to the goal and from two zones away?
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Re: 842 Final Kicker Desgin

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Is there a chance the kickers on different sides will work for different distances, like right next to the goal and from two zones away?
They will all shoot about the same maximum distance. We will use programming to vary the distance the kicks need to cover.
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Re: 842 Final Kicker Desgin

I liked the fence latch idea enough to steal it.

Hope you don't mind, FIRSTers are constantly told to steal from the best.
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I liked the fence latch idea enough to steal it.

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The angles and distances of the components mounted in relation to each other are critical though from what we've tested.
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The angles and distances of the components mounted in relation to each other are critical though from what we've tested.
Yup we had that all worked out. It was until I saw your other video that we were overcomplicating the release mechanism.
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Re: 842 Final Kicker Desgin

I hate to be a kill-joy, but I feel the fence latch release system is extremely unsafe. Those latches are not designed to be used under any significant loading and may jostle free at unexpected times.
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Re: 842 Final Kicker Desgin

we've used these before with larger volume cylinders and didn't have any problems and I don't believe there's any chance of them coming open especially since there's a pneumatic cylinder holding them closed.
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Re: 842 Final Kicker Desgin

I will agree that was pretty impressive, now lets just see it on a robot and mobing

Also I hope that the camera operator is okay after that last hit
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I hate to be a kill-joy, but I feel the fence latch release system is extremely unsafe. Those latches are not designed to be used under any significant loading and may jostle free at unexpected times.
They can easily be spring loaded and held with small actuators.
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Re: 842 Final Kicker Desgin

In my mind an important safety practice is using parts as they were designed. I also believe safety should be a priority for FIRST teams.
As such I don't think it is unreasonable to encourage teams to purchase load rated release mechanisms such as McMaster-Carr #3899T54.

My other major concern is that fence latches aren't subject to quality control w.r.t. their load bearing ability (because that is not the intended purpose). Although the latches have worked in the past, they may fail later on.
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Re: 842 Final Kicker Desgin

John,

Are you doing anything special to get the air out of the front of the cylinder faster when you kick the ball. A pressure relief valve?
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Re: 842 Final Kicker Desgin

We haven't added anything to increase the speed the air leaves the non-pressurized side of the cylinder.
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We haven't added anything to increase the speed the air leaves the non-pressurized side of the cylinder.
So if I understand this correctly, you pull back causing it to latch, then you push the same cylindar forward, but the gate latch stops it, then you open the gate latch, causing a quicker release. Am I understanding this correctly?

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