9.3.4 Match Seeding Points

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Originally Posted by kirtar

Please, please, please work out your math. No matter what, there is no configuration in which with the same total score that a win will give you more seeding points than a tie unless the losing team had penalties.

I don't understand. Who do you think is getting the seeding points? Only the winning alliance gets the coopertition bonus. How about one alliance gets 12 and the other gets 11. Losing alliance gets 12 seeding points, winning alliance gets 34. No matter what the losing alliance does, if they lose, then it doesn't matter how much they lose by, except for a tie. In fact, they have an incentive to score, if they know they are going to lose, as little as possible in order to minimize the effects of increasing the opposing alliance's coopertition bonus.

Originally Posted by kirtar

Regardless of whether you win or lose, you automatically get points based on your own score after penalties, and then twice the opponent's score prior to penalties.

No, read 9.3.4 and 9.3.5 again, noting the bolded phrases. Losing alliance does not get points based on the losing alliance's score:

9.3.4 [...] All teams on the losing ALLIANCE will receive a number of seeding points equal to un- penalized score (the score without any assessed penalties) of the winning ALLIANCE.

.3.5 CoopertitionTM Bonus
All teams on the winning ALLIANCE will receive a coopertition bonus: a number of seeding points equal to twice the un-penalized score (the score without any assessed penalties) of the losing ALLIANCE.
In the case of a tie, all participating teams will receive a coopertition bonus of a number of seeding points equal to twice their ALLIANCE score (with any assessed penalties).

The scenario you mention only occurs in the case of a tie. How many ties were there in a random regional? I found one in that regional I linked; ties are infrequent and shouldn't be expected.

Originally Posted by kirtar

Oh by the way, the losing team does benefit from the tie since it actually gets a coopertition bonus instead of not getting one.

No, it doesn't. See above. Coopertition bonus is only awarded to the winning alliance.

Originally Posted by kirtar

I'm not even sure what you're even saying in your first paragraph because it is unclear. However, I am able to tell that you completely misinterpreted my entire statement. My statement is that in pure theory, if the alliances worked to score a tie (in which case scoring output would still be doubled) you will always receive 50% more than a shutout.

Again, please read the rules. The losing alliance does not get the Coopertition bonus.

You also failed to address my point that in a shutout, the number of potential maximum points is increased, possibly doubling or more.