Kamen & Flower's Saftey Violations: Kickoff

[vic burg]

Originally Posted by Tetraman

Imagine that three robots are in the midfield at the end of the match. If three people from each team go pick the robot, thats 9 team members. Two Field reset crew members would also be in the midfield collecting the balls. And at least four Refs would be in the midfield helping/watching the team members remove the robots from the towers. Not to mention that the new teams will be entering the field and placing their robots into position.

That's a load of people in a relatively small space surrounded by field edges and tall bumps. Hazard waiting to happen. 2 per team is plenty.

I agree. This might sound crazy but even having 2 members per team is too much. But I know each team needs two, and I am not discouraging from that. Though I would not really see a problem with maybe 1 or 2 of the teams having a third person, if all 6 teams had an extra person, that means on average we would have about 35 people on the field (if you count 4 refs, 3 members times 6, 6 scorers, then 5-7 field reset people) We already have almost 30 people on the field normally but this year it would be harder, since the field is broken up into sections, that means 10 people in a 342 square foot area. (If my calculations are correct). And then the two robots that are most likely going to be in that area, which takes away about 24 sq. ft., plus one team is bound to bring in a cart which can take up about 18 sq. ft., not to mention any balls that will be on the floor, so we'll take away about 5 sq. ft. for that, which leaves us with 294 sq. ft. for 10 people to move around in. (I can't believe I just calculated that.) But then if we add in the extra 6, that means 12 people to 294 sq. ft.
There is also a higher tripping hazard for us mere humans with the bumpers (though the only ones who should be attempting that would be the refs, scorers, and field reset) and that is no good when we add 6 more bodies. Just not a good idea to me.


Did that even make sense to anyone?

[MarcD79]

It makes a lot of sense. Keep a eye on the web on the 20th for the Suffield Shakedown scrimmage. It's hosted by Aces High team 176 & will be web-cast by the Gaelhawks, team 230. To View the web-cast go to http://www.shsrobotics.org/ on Feb 20th.

This is the official scrimmage FIRST uses to test their equipment & a chance for those lucky 30 robots to engage in prior to week #1. Even thought it is web-cast, we do occasionally run into unforeseen complications.

[dtengineering]

You know when the school health nurse advises "always wear a condom"?

She doesn't actually mean "ALWAYS".

I think Dean and Woodie have a pretty good idea of when they need safety glasses and when they don't.

Jason

[sanddrag]

Originally Posted by JMT

What I want to know is why FIRST allows teams to only have two people carry the robot on to the competition field.

What rule is this?

[Mike Marandola]

Originally Posted by mnajork

They want us to wear gloves when we work too, and they didn't say anything about not wearing gloves while machining. Wearing those leather gloves while milling is extremely dangerous. Instead of you getting a small cut on your finger (without gloves), your hand could get pulled into the mill. Basic safety.

Wearing longsleeved shirts and having long hair can also be very dangerous.

[spacegy4]

Originally Posted by marandola316

Wearing longsleeved shirts and having long hair can also be very dangerous.

Wearing long sleeved shirts I understand, but you can have long hair and be perfectly safe, as long as it is tied back or otherwise safely secured out of the way. It is not having the long hair that is dangerous, but instead it can be unsafe if it is not handled properly.

[EricH]

Long-sleeved shirts can be OK, too. Provided, of course, that the sleeves are buttoned or rolled up a bit. It's if they're loose that you get a problem.

[gblake]

Originally Posted by dtengineering

You know when the school health nurse advises "always wear a condom"?

She doesn't actually mean "ALWAYS".

I think Dean and Woodie have a pretty good idea of when they need safety glasses and when they don't.

Jason

I tend to think that I am equally capable of making that decision. However, the rule is that whenever I am near operating robots and or pits, etc. I must wear safety glasses. Unless some sort of mystical aura surrounds some folks and not others, I think the rule applies to all.

All animals are equal.

Blake
PS: Also, the one-time infraction is equally serious (or not ...) for all. This strikes me as a tempest in a teapot.

[spacegy4]

Originally Posted by gblake

I tend to think that I am equally capable of making that decision. However, the rule is that whenever I am near operating robots and or pits, etc. I must wear safety glasses. Unless some sort of mystical aura surrounds some folks and not others, I think the rule applies to all.

All animals are equal.

Exactly, and therefore other animals cannot be more equal than others. Those animals including Dean and Woodie.

[Daniel_LaFleur]

Originally Posted by dtengineering

I think Dean and Woodie have a pretty good idea of when they need safety glasses and when they don't.

Jason

Sometimes people who have been doing things for 19 years become complacent ... and that is the exact moment when someone gets hurt.

Dean and Woodie are in a position to influence many people. If they can have a 'good idea' when not to be safe, what does that tell all the kids watching them?

Dean and Woodie made a mistake by not wearing safety glasses. 'Nuff said.

[spacegy4]

Originally Posted by Daniel_LaFleur

Sometimes people who have been doing things for 19 years become complacent ... and that is the exact moment when someone gets hurt.

Dean and Woodie are in a position to influence many people. If they can have a 'good idea' when not to be safe, what does that tell all the kids watching them?

Dean and Woodie made a mistake by not wearing safety glasses. 'Nuff said.

Too right mate

[dag0620]

Originally Posted by MarcD79

It makes a lot of sense. Keep a eye on the web on the 20th for the Suffield Shakedown scrimmage. It's hosted by Aces High team 176 & will be web-cast by the Gaelhawks, team 230. To View the web-cast go to http://www.shsrobotics.org/ on Feb 20th.

This is the official scrimmage FIRST uses to test their equipment & a chance for those lucky 30 robots to engage in prior to week #1. Even thought it is web-cast, we do occasionally run into unforeseen complications.

Ok that was very random. Anyway, I along with Team Max 1071 will be attending. I am looking forward to this event very much!