1583 after 3 weeks

[NOV8R]

Here's a video of 1583's chassis and mechanism prototypes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC52tUnVAzk
The chassis prototype is a 27 inch octagon with CIMs powering Banebot gearboxes coupled to AndyMark 6 inch omnis. The mechanism prototype consists of a ball possesion device (we call it a dribbler) and a shooter. We've spent the last week improving and enhancing both prototypes. For example the competition chassis will have P80 Banebot gearboxes and dual AndyMark wheels on each axle. The competition mechanism will have a more powerful shooter. The prototype uses the window motor motor/gearbox. The competition mechanism will have a CIM/toughbox with a anti-backdrive device. The window motor setup shoots the ball about 8 feet. The new more powerful shooter will shoot it full court. Btw, we learned that back driving the ball with our dribbler doesn't make the ball roll very good on the ground. Hence the shooter is designed to loft the ball into the goal. We'll show more of details of the robot as we start building the competition model next week. In 2008 team 1625 Winnovation was in the pit next to ours at the Colorado regional. Their cocking and trigger concept from their 2008 robot is what we are using this year. Thanks guys.

[wilsonmw04]

nice shooter.
Might want to rework your video. Youtube didn't like you using copyrighted music and removed your audio. Try: http://www.jamendo.com/en/ It's a site full of tunes with a Creative Commons license.

[Alex Cormier]

That is the best dribbler/shooter/robot drive base I have seen yet this year. I am amazed that you can fit so much awesome in a small package. Are you doing a kicker on each side?

[Paul Copioli]

I noticed you guys were controlling that prototype with the VEX controller. I love it!

[NOV8R]

Hi Alex......We are only kicking from one side of the octagon. Our process for kicking in autonomous is to (1) drive to the ball (2) capture it with the dribbler (3) Acquire the vision target with the camera (4) rotate the robot to aim at the target while possesing the ball (4) kick when pointed at target. During teleoperated we also hope to have the camera and Crio aim the robot to kick the ball as well. As it stands now we have four CIMs driving the chassis, two FP spinning the dribbler and one CIM powering the kicker. That ends up being seven jaguars stashed in that octagon. There's not much wasted space to say the least

Paul.....We always drive our prototype chassis with Vex. Can't beat it for getting things up and running fast. It also gives the programers something to work with without waiting for the CRio

[Wayne Doenges]

Looks sweet. Nice drive train.
I have only one critique. It looks like you are trying to score the balls by throwing them into the goal. There's a group of chains that will prevent that. Dean Kamen, at kick off, siad that rolling them into the goal was the way to score.

[IndySam]

Originally Posted by Paul Copioli

I noticed you guys were controlling that prototype with the VEX controller. I love it!

The vex controllers have been great for prototyping. They are so much less work that putting on everything needed to run either the current system or older IFI systems.

Our wheel testing prototype ran via Vex, our ball magnet prototype use a Vex controller, we slapped a Vex controller on an old frame to test our prototype winch and our t-shirt robot is controlled by Vex.

[professorX]

Hi,

What motor and gearbox are you using for the rollers?
It looks like the cim 12:1 gearbox and a fisherprice motor. But how were you able to connect both of them?

-Xavier

[Vikesrock]

Originally Posted by professorX

Hi,

What motor and gearbox are you using for the rollers?
It looks like the cim 12:1 gearbox and a fisherprice motor. But how were you able to connect both of them?

-Xavier

Looks like an FP through a Banebots P60 on each side. If my deciphering fuzzy number skills are good it's 20:1.

The Banebots P60 is designed to work with a motor with the same package as the FP. Some work must be done to change the FP pinion, but that is the only modification necessary to make the combo work if I remember correctly.

I'm sure somebody from 1583 will be around to chime in with the details.

[NOV8R]

Xavier...Kevin is right, our prototype has Banebot 36mm 20:1 gearboxes with 385 motors. The competition robot will have the same transmissions with FPs. We've already installed the motors on two other transmissions. It's an easy mod once you figure out how to remove the pinion from the FP and press on the 3.2 mm 15 tooth pinion from Banebot. The P60 20:1 gearboxes are just as easy to install the FPs on.

[professorX]

Originally Posted by Vikesrock

Looks like an FP through a Banebots P60 on each side. If my deciphering fuzzy number skills are good it's 20:1.

The Banebots P60 is designed to work with a motor with the same package as the FP. Some work must be done to change the FP pinion, but that is the only modification necessary to make the combo work if I remember correctly.

I'm sure somebody from 1583 will be around to chime in with the details.

Originally Posted by NOV8R

Xavier...Kevin is right, our prototype has Banebot 36mm 20:1 gearboxes with 385 motors. The competition robot will have the same transmissions with FPs. We've already installed the motors on two other transmissions. It's an easy mod once you figure out how to remove the pinion from the FP and press on the 3.2 mm 15 tooth pinion from Banebot. The P60 20:1 gearboxes are just as easy to install the FPs on.

Thank you

[Galum]

Very nice indeed =)

Just a piece of advice, try using the Andymark planetary gearboxes instead of the Banebot's, the Banebot gears are unreliable and tend to breakdown in the middle of games (a la several of our games at the championship last year ;-) )

[NOV8R]

Hi Gal...sorry to hear about your experience with Banebot gearboxes. We've used them since 2007 with no problems. They have had their share of problems but the folks at Banebots have made all sorts of enhancements and improvements with input from FIRST teams. They are only fifty miles up the road from us (Loveland, CO) so we talk to them frequently. They are great folks to work with. So is AndyMark. This year's robot will be about 50/50 Banebot and AndyMark parts.

[Galum]

Oh, in that case no problem We were using the older gears from the KOP and they didn't preform very well

[lynca]

Originally Posted by NOV8R

The competition robot will have the same transmissions with FPs. We've already installed the motors on two other transmissions. It's an easy mod once you figure out how to remove the pinion from the FP and press on the 3.2 mm 15 tooth pinion from Banebot. The P60 20:1 gearboxes are just as easy to install the FPs on.

That's a really fast spinner. Have you considered moving to a 26:1 or possibly a 64:1 P60 gearbox with a FP?