Car Nack Predicts 2010-4

[Car Nack]

Car Nack Predicts

4. Although Breakaway appears to be a low scoring game, there will be some matches when an alliance will score 20 or greater points. This will be an extremely rare event. There will never be a 30 point alliance score.

Car Nack has spoken.

[Koko Ed]

The only way there would be a 30 point score is with two robots hanging off of another robot after beating to death an alliance with three robots that are not moving so they can't get in their way.

[henryBsick]

Originally Posted by Car Nack

Car Nack Predicts

4. Although Breakaway appears to be a low scoring game, there will be some matches when an alliance will score 20 or greater points. This will be an extremely rare event. There will never be a 30 point alliance score.

Car Nack has spoken.

In all of your great wisdom Car Nack, I must respectfully disagree with this prediction. 30 points WILL be achieved.

Let the games begin!

[Chris is me]

A 30 point match is improbable even with a 3v0 alliance with no opposition who doesn't care about Coopertition Points.

Some assumptions about the alliance.

All 3 robots hang for 6 points in the last 15 seconds of the match. No more scoring here.

All 3 robots have perfect auto modes (6 point autonomous).

Assuming ideal human player coordination, one ball can get through the gate up top around every 7 seconds. 5 more seconds for each ball to roll down (all conservative estimates here).

In teleop, let's say the robots score the other 6 balls in 15 more seconds. In the two minutes of teleop, here's how the balls get back to the field.

0:12
0:24
0:36
0:48
1:00
1:12
1:24
1:36

That's 8 more balls on the field for the rest of the match. 12 points + if all 8 balls get scored as soon as they return to the field + 6 points hanging (going with Car Nack's no dual suspension prediction) is only 26 points.

30 points isn't happening.

[Al Skierkiewicz]

I also agree with the great Car Nack. Matches with greater than 20 points will be rare or non-existent outside of finals matches.

[JGurnow]

High scores will be happening in elims and rarely in qualifying.

With 0 points scored in autonomous and no hanging robots our alliance at Cass Tech, 217, 469 and 2960, were able to score 26 points using 7 of the 12 balls on the field. This is with one robot doing nothing but defense against the other teams robot in our home zone. If 217 and 469 would have had a perfect auton we would have gotten 30. Our alliance did have a near perfect auton in an earlier match, 5 balls in auton, but that was in the quarter finals.

I believe that 30 points will be broken this year.

[Nathan Streeter]

If 469 can continue to implement their strategy (GDC doesn't limit them somehow), I predict them playing on Einstein and a match including them reaching 35 points. Given what happened at Cass Tech, I'm willing to make this post on Delphi without feeling like an utter fool. Eager to see them play in Atlanta!

[JesseK]

Originally Posted by Nathan Streeter

If 469 can continue to implement their strategy (GDC doesn't limit them somehow), I predict them playing on Einstein and a match including them reaching 35 points. Given what happened at Cass Tech, I'm willing to make this post on Delphi without feeling like an utter fool. Eager to see them play in Atlanta!

Einstein and a 35-point match will probably be mutually exclusive. Unless God strikes 3 robots dead at once, that is.

[Chris is me]

Originally Posted by Nathan Streeter

If 469 can continue to implement their strategy (GDC doesn't limit them somehow), I predict them playing on Einstein and a match including them reaching 35 points. Given what happened at Cass Tech, I'm willing to make this post on Delphi without feeling like an utter fool. Eager to see them play in Atlanta!

Eh... They had possibly the best conventional robot in FRC on their side. I don't think they'll find better partners at Champs; only better opponents.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Nathan Streeter

If 469 can continue to implement their strategy (GDC doesn't limit them somehow), I predict them playing on Einstein and a match including them reaching 35 points. Given what happened at Cass Tech, I'm willing to make this post on Delphi without feeling like an utter fool. Eager to see them play in Atlanta!

The limiting factor is the human players. The robots really can't cycle the balls all that much faster than they did during the 25 and 26 pt matches. Maybe a few balls more per match but I doubt it gets much higher.

[Nathan Streeter]

Sorry, my comment was rather unclear - I think that 469 will both compete on Einstein and score a 35 point match; however, I really doubt that these will happen at the same time! I do understand that to score 35 points necessitates scoring a ball every 4 seconds for the entire match, assuming you get 5 points in auto or through hanging on the tower. This means that the single Trident-wielder needs to be putting a ball up at an average rate of one ball every 4 seconds - a truly incredible rate, particularly to sustain for over 2 minutes! So, yes, I do understand how bold my statement was... To be honest, though, I don't see the point in making a "prediction" unless it's a little controversial! For example, predicting a 30 point match hardly seems hard to believe, after 469's astounding "marble run!"

[Tom Bottiglieri]

Originally Posted by Nathan Streeter

I think that 469 will compete on Einstein

It's only week 2... I'm sure there are at least a few other ball redirecting robots we haven't seen yet.

[Enigma's puzzle]

Originally Posted by Tom Bottiglieri

It's only week 2... I'm sure there are at least a few other ball redirecting robots we haven't seen yet.

Are we foreshadowing something???


And if (but being a Car Nack prediction isn't it when?) this happens the human player play would have to be as impressive as the actual feat itself, i'd have to imagine.

[Akash Rastogi]

Originally Posted by Tom Bottiglieri

It's only week 2... I'm sure there are at least a few other ball redirecting robots we haven't seen yet.

I predict week 4

[BrendanB]

Originally Posted by Tom Bottiglieri

It's only week 2... I'm sure there are at least a few other ball redirecting robots we haven't seen yet.

Yah, where is the 254 bot? No video or even a picture!

I agree with Nathan. I can see 469 getting a 35 point match at champs if they are in a 6v0 match and all robots work hard to get the balls in cycle and stay out of the way. And I do see them on Einstein.

Predicting robots to get on Einstein is not bad in week 2. By now, most good robots have made a debut whether on youtube or a regional and we are not saying, "Well we might as well hand over the trophy because they are going to win!". Predictions are different from facts. Anything can happen and everything will happen between now and Atlanta. So 469 has a very good chance of making it to Einstein, but we aren't asking for the trophy to be handed over.