Extending before finale?

[jblay]

This actually got me thinking. Since you are allowed to exit the frame perimeter for 2 seconds, could you start hanging at 22 seconds?

[Vikesrock]

Originally Posted by jblay

This actually got me thinking. Since you are allowed to exit the frame perimeter for 2 seconds, could you start hanging at 22 seconds?

The 2 second exemption allowed by <G30-A> only applies to mechanisms below the bumpers and must be for the purpose of interacting with the ball.

You can hang whenever you want if you touch the tower the whole time you do so, or stay inside your FRAME PERIMETER while doing so.

[GaryVoshol]

It's already been asked, and the GDC is OK with it: http://forums.usfirst.org/showthread.php?t=14096

There is no rule that would prohibit parts of the ROBOT from expanding/contracting within the limits of the NORMAL CONFIGURATION and the vertical projection of the FRAME PERIMETER.

[TD912]

I think I found an answer to my second question while browsing a different section of the Q&A:

http://forums.usfirst.org/showthread.php?t=13730

As defined in Section 6.2.4 of The Manual, the TOWER includes the base and the pipe superstructure. The PLATFORM and the TUNNEL are features of the base, and are therefore part of the TOWER. The carpet under the TOWER is not considered part of the TOWER.

So, because the PLATFORM and TUNNEL are a part of the base, and the base is a part of the TOWER, touching the PLATFORM or TUNNEL means you are touching the TOWER which means you are then able extend to FINALE CONFIGURATION before the FINALE starts. Right? >_>

[Dowjonesbotics]

Originally Posted by TD912

I think I found an answer to my second question while browsing a different section of the Q&A:

http://forums.usfirst.org/showthread.php?t=13730



So, because the PLATFORM and TUNNEL are a part of the base, and the base is a part of the TOWER, touching the PLATFORM or TUNNEL means you are touching the TOWER which means you are then able extend to FINALE CONFIGURATION before the FINALE starts. Right? >_>

Haha main you got me confuzed

[Daniel_LaFleur]

Originally Posted by TD912

So, because the PLATFORM and TUNNEL are a part of the base, and the base is a part of the TOWER, touching the PLATFORM or TUNNEL means you are touching the TOWER which means you are then able extend to FINALE CONFIGURATION before the FINALE starts. Right? >_>

That is my interpretation as well, but you might want to ask the head referee at the drivers meeting on Thursday morning, just to make sure.

[Bob Steele]

Originally Posted by Daniel_LaFleur

That is my interpretation as well, but you might want to ask the head referee at the drivers meeting on Thursday morning, just to make sure.

Let me ask this another way...

Why would they have the rule if the base of the tower was NOT part of the tower.

How could you touch anything inside it ?? You are not allowed to come out of your frame perimeter extended vertically... the only thing you will be able to touch the tower with is your bumpers.... so ergo... touching the tower means your bumpers are touching the base of the tower...

So prior to the 20 second finale... your bumpers better be nestled up against the tower base somehow...

if you want to extend outside your frame perimeter...

Anything that happens within the frame perimeter is ok unless you are trying to control a ball above the bumpers...

I cannot see how this could possibly be interpreted any other way...

I may be wrong...

I have been wrong before...

There was that time last year when I thought I had made a mistake...
but I hadn't...

see you on the field