Weird Qualifying Rules

[Ether]

Do the venues keep "box scores" for the individual teams during qual and elim, and make this data available after the meet ?

Or is the only data available to a team that which their own scouting efforts gather ?

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[pitzoid]

Originally Posted by Ether

Do the venues keep "box scores" for the individual teams during qual and elim, and make this data available after the meet ?

Or is the only data available to a team that which their own scouting efforts gather ?

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The FRC FMS system provides the Twitter feeds which breaks out the score detail from a match by alliance, there's also the HTML pages on the FIRST web site, but that doesn't have as much individual match score data. Someone that truely understands the match scoring and ranking can derive everything they need for scouting from the twitter feeds.....

[Ricky Q.]

Originally Posted by pitzoid

The FRC FMS system provides the Twitter feeds which breaks out the score detail from a match by alliance, there's also the HTML pages on the FIRST web site, but that doesn't have as much individual match score data. Someone that truely understands the match scoring and ranking can derive everything they need for scouting from the twitter feeds.....

Is there an explanation of the data put out by the Twitter feed anywhere?

[s_forbes]

Originally Posted by Ricky Q.

Is there an explanation of the data put out by the Twitter feed anywhere?

There is an explanation on the FIRST site, here.

[Ether]

Originally Posted by pitzoid

The FRC FMS system provides the Twitter feeds

Can this be accessed with an internet browser? Or is special software required?

which breaks out the score detail from a match by alliance

Does this include detail at the team level? For example, how many goals, penalties, suspended, did each team get. Stuff like that.

there's also the HTML pages on the FIRST web site

I surfed but didn't see any links to match data at USFIRST.ORG Can you post a link? Thanks.


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[Bruceb]

All I have to say is so much for them saying that this year the fans can understand the scoring. Lets see what happens when a fantastic robot wins all their matches and is last in the seeding. Explain that to the crowd.
Bruce

[Ether]

Originally Posted by Bruceb

All I have to say is so much for them saying that this year the fans can understand the scoring. Lets see what happens when a fantastic robot wins all their matches and is last in the seeding. Explain that to the crowd.
Bruce

A major part of the problem is the announcers at the venue, and the way they whoop it up when an alliance "wins" a match during the qualifiers.

Perhaps the announcers do not understand either.

FIRST should provide some training for the announcers at each venue.

During the qualifying matches, the announcers should downplay, or even ignore, "wins", and instead announce how many seed points each alliance is awarded for each match. This would educate not only the fans, but many of the unaware teams as well.


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[Chris is me]

Originally Posted by Ether

Perhaps the announcers do not understand either.

FIRST should provide some training for the announcers at each venue.

This is definitely not true on the webcasts I watched. Tyler Olds at KC (awesome game announcer!) spent a lot of time explaining that you wanted a close match, how many QPs each team would get, etc.

The winner this year does have the benefit in any match where the score is not zero for the opponents. Winning is not completely secondary.

[Ether]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

This is definitely not true on the webcasts I watched. Tyler Olds at KC (awesome game announcer!) spent a lot of time explaining that you wanted a close match, how many QPs each team would get, etc.

Did he announce the QPs after each qual match instead of announcing the "winner" of the match?

That was what I was suggesting.

Take a look at the webcast of the Traverse City qual.


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[Chris is me]

Originally Posted by Ether

Did he announce the QPs after each qual match instead of announcing the "winner" of the match?

That was what I was suggesting.

Take a look at the webcast of the Traverse City qual.

I believe he announced the final score and left it at that, sometimes making a comment that it was a blowout and bad for seeding, etc. I'll catch TC if it gets archived to see what you mean, though.

[Tyler Olds]

Originally Posted by Ether

Did he announce the QPs after each qual match instead of announcing the "winner" of the match?

That was what I was suggesting.

Take a look at the webcast of the Traverse City qual.


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Unfortunately, other than adding the seeding points in my head after each match, we did not have anything that told the GA's what the seeding score was. I told teams to check in at pit admin in order to find out, and like Chris said, I tried to point out when weird results happened (like the 14-0 game where red alliance got a penalty, which resulted in the blue alliance getting more seeding points). I have to admit it is disappointing that FIRST did really update the final score screen, however I am sure that we will discuss this in the Emcee/GA conference call tomorrow. Weather it will get fixed or not in time for other regionals would be interesting to see.

Jane: While I agree that all teams should know how the seeding is done, what about the spectators and non-FIRSTers who are at the venue? Just a thought, not meant to create an argument or further discussion.