Weird Qualifying Rules

[Daniel_LaFleur]

Originally Posted by JaneYoung

No, and it would have been beneficial for teams to have had these discussions a while back rather than waiting until the competition season.

Jane

Jane,

We did talk about it here on CD. With the lack of uproar about it, I assumed (yeah, I know) that teams understood the implications of the new seedeing points.

After participating at GSR, it was quite obvious that many teams did not initially understand all of the implications ... however by Saturday morning (too late) most teams had figured it out.

My hope is that most teams will have now seen how it works and won't try and shut out their opponent. It's just another thing that you need to discuss with your alliance partners before each match.

[Chris is me]

Originally Posted by Ether

Did he announce the QPs after each qual match instead of announcing the "winner" of the match?

That was what I was suggesting.

Take a look at the webcast of the Traverse City qual.

I believe he announced the final score and left it at that, sometimes making a comment that it was a blowout and bad for seeding, etc. I'll catch TC if it gets archived to see what you mean, though.

[JaneYoung]

Originally Posted by Daniel_LaFleur

We did talk about it here on CD. With the lack of uproar about it, I assumed (yeah, I know) that teams understood the implications of the new seedeing points.

I know it was discussed here in CD and I didn't make my statement clear, sorry. What I meant was that each team in FRC should have read, talked about, and understood all of the implications involved in scoring this year so that they can come to the event(s) that they participate in, prepared. ChiefDelphi is an excellent resource but I don't know that every team in FRC reads it. It is up to each team to make sure that they read the manual, study the rules, and understand them. Hopefully, more teams will be taking advantage of that opportunity before the upcoming competitions, and will be better prepared as teammates and as alliance partners for the rest of the season.

Aside: We can talk and natter and squabble about the best teams/top teams all day long, year after year, and it is silly. This is an example of why - they come to the competition prepared to play.

Jane

[Tyler Olds]

Originally Posted by Ether

Did he announce the QPs after each qual match instead of announcing the "winner" of the match?

That was what I was suggesting.

Take a look at the webcast of the Traverse City qual.


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Unfortunately, other than adding the seeding points in my head after each match, we did not have anything that told the GA's what the seeding score was. I told teams to check in at pit admin in order to find out, and like Chris said, I tried to point out when weird results happened (like the 14-0 game where red alliance got a penalty, which resulted in the blue alliance getting more seeding points). I have to admit it is disappointing that FIRST did really update the final score screen, however I am sure that we will discuss this in the Emcee/GA conference call tomorrow. Weather it will get fixed or not in time for other regionals would be interesting to see.

Jane: While I agree that all teams should know how the seeding is done, what about the spectators and non-FIRSTers who are at the venue? Just a thought, not meant to create an argument or further discussion.

[davidfv]

Originally Posted by JaneYoung

No, and it would have been beneficial for teams to have had these discussions a while back rather than waiting until the competition season.

Jane

We put together a Excel simulation for the seeding points right in the beginning of the season.

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...t=83903&page=5

[whatabouteve]

well from many perspectives scoring on the opponents goal helps if you're up by alot and can afford that luxury, however it makes you look bad for scoring in the nopponents goal.