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Too late to hope nobody ever does it - it's already been done, and I expect it will continue to be done as long as it's a good way to get seeding points.

Teams are not "manipulating" the rules by using this strategy. They are using the rules exactly as written. If that results in matches with no competition, then the RULES need fixing, not the strategy.
I understand that, but the point of a competition is to compete. So the rules must have been phrased poorly such that teams are playing a match, but yet not competing against each other. FIRST is a competition for a reason; I hope the competition part doesn't get lost in the future because FIRST is far better than a science fair.
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So the rules must have been phrased poorly such that teams are playing a match, but yet not competing against each other. FIRST is a competition for a reason; I hope the competition part doesn't get lost in the future because FIRST is far better than a science fair.
I think "phrased poorly" is a tactful way to say it. I agree that FIRST is a competition for a reason, and I also hope the competition part doesn't get lost. Unfortunately, the way the rules are written, that's exactly what can happen.
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What was wrong with the old days when the teams that won got the best seeds? What part of earning your seeding position isn't fair?
There aren't enough matches to make the "best" teams seed the highest with a strict win/lose tally. This year's scheme seems to be compensating somewhat for things like winning easy matches vs. losing hard ones.

So many people are saying it's better to lose 0-5 than to win 3-0...but it's better yet to win 3-2. A 6v0 game where everyone gets the same number of seeding points doesn't benefit anyone; nobody rises or falls in the ranking. A game-theory analysis tells me that the best overall strategy is to score points and play to win.
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