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| Yes, I like this system. |
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10 | 3.21% |
| Yes, I like the system, although it's not perfect. |
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23 | 7.37% |
| I have mixed feelings about it. |
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42 | 13.46% |
| No, I don't like the system, although with a few tweaks it could be fine. |
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27 | 8.65% |
| No, I like the idea of this system, but I don't think it works out in practice. |
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41 | 13.14% |
| No, I don't like this system, period. |
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169 | 54.17% |
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#136
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Re: Do you like the seeding system?
After reading a lot of this thread, one word keeps coming up, “collusion” could someone either post a definition or a link to where I could find what this means?
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Re: Do you like the seeding system?
Not to side track the thread, but why?
I think this change was absolutely brilliant, from both a spectators and coaches point of view. It beats the hell out of every other method FIRST has used (flags, LEDs, trailers, and even the awesome rotating lights). It has never been more quick or intuitive to see what robots are on what alliance and what their team numbers are. Kudos to FIRST for the bumper color rules. |
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Back to the main topic. One thing I have noticed about the people who don't have a problem with this system keep coming up with different ways to say 'get over it and play the game'. My main problem with this idea is that you may learn to play the game in qualifications by manipulation of the scoring rules to your ranking advantage, but this system still hides the beneficial attributes necessary to play in the new scoring system that comes with the elimination rounds. There has to be a better way of weighting your wins to make a more accurate seeding list. What if you take the same system as before, where you get two points for a win, one for a tie and zero for a loss and multiply this number by your strength of schedule. Just like the NFL your strength of schedule will be determined by your opponents W-L record, averaged out of course over each three team alliance you face in each match. Last edited by A_Reed : 09-03-2010 at 13:53. |
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This year, you can't just look for tiedye bumpers and say, hey, that's Wildstang. |
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Re: Do you like the seeding system?
Here's a seed point calculator for anyone interested:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=934119 enjoy. ~ |
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The problem with it is primarily that it can be exploited to make for some weird situations, and every once in awhile a normally played match also ends up weird. It's not the best way to do seeding, not by a long shot, but I don't think it is a terrible system. On the plus side, it takes into account the power of your opponents, on the negative side in certain extreme situations it falls apart. Quote:
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I think more people may have liked the seeding system if most of the penalties were eliminated. It hurts to win matches by a large margin, when your opponents score is 0 and you have penalties.
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Re: Do you like the seeding system?
Most teams don't follow threads like this on CD. After this past weekends regional, many teams don't even read all the rules (even the coaches). This past Saturday (yes, Day 2), I found myself explaining to a 10 year veteran team how the ranking system works this year. ARRGGHHH!!
So while all of you will know how to adapt to this year's ranking system, most teams won't - which really hurts all of us. When we started our 6th match in DC, the other alliance wanted us to do a 6v0 match, which we considered and then they said something to make us change our mind. While I knew the concept of collusion would happen during season, I honestly didn't think it be on the first day of Week 1. Sad. GDC: The public won't understand the scoring system let alone this game, if teams are scoring on themselves or simply not playing. It's just ridiculus. Plain and simple. I spent a good portion of the day last Friday explaining the ranking and penalties to spectators, parents, and other teams. Why do you do this to us? If you want more folks to participate in FRC, YOU MUST KEEP IT SIMPLE and straightforward. I hate to use this as an example, but BattleBots was entertaining and popular because it's so simple.. go destroy the other robot! (Disclaimer: I'm not a fan of Battlebots) Keep the game and scoring system simple next year!! Let the robots be complex, unique, and well engineered!! I think this system may have worked out better if it didn't have the bumps, or get rid of the 3" incursion penalty, something to increase the odds of scoring and/or decrease the penalties. |
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QFT. The President of FIRST was at FLR and I'm still waiting for an official comment. Sadly, I don't think we will be getting one.
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Re: Do you like the seeding system?
No, I do not like the seeding system. Nor do I think the public does. When I asked what he thought of FIRST, one of the kids on our guest program told me that he liked the idea but the competition was no fun (he specifically referenced the seeding system). Same thing from my parents who were at the event and saw the rankings.
FIRST is a competition, and we can't leave that out when we talk about all of FIRST's many elements. Of course we have gracious proffesionalism and coopertition that seperate from many competitive events. But you can keep all that and still make it competitive out on the field, which this seeding system doesn't. |
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1. Don't play defense in qualification matches. 2. Don't let a ball get under your robot. 3. Don't mess around the bump if there is a ball there. 4. In qualification matches, moving two robots into your offensive zone is a good thing. 5-10. ??? |
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I remember plenty of years when I'd be trying to explain what is happening to people in the stands (or scouting a match) and even having myself getting confused as to who is on which alliance. |
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6. During the Finale, stay away from the opposing alliance's tower and hanging bots 7. If you are going to hang, only extend during the finale (too tricky for many to stay in contact with tower prior to finale - although some can) 8. Don't play defense 9. Don't play defense 10. Don't play defense ![]() |
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