Best of the Best

[ttldomination]

I definitely have to say that IFI has taken the field again this year...just...*more* than usual. 217 is unstoppable, and 148 is the same design. 1114 seems to be ever more lethal, and I'm sure with the level of collaboration that the IFI teams do, 254 and 2056 aren't any worse.

[Racer26]

Yeah, when I saw 1114 come out and dominate the field like that yesterday, my first thought was "Aw crap, if they're this good on their own, I'm not sure I WANT to see them WITH 2056"

[JackN]

469 broke the game

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by JackN

469 broke the game

Pretty much. I'm interested in seeing how well their strategy works when against an opponent like 217 instead of on an alliance with them. If the other alliance can clear balls it could make it much more interesting.

[BJC]

The problem is that the other team has two robots to shut down that one that might make a difference. So its pretty foolproof. Remember only one of the other team in the defending zone. The only way to stop them would be to Place a team right in their way in the begining and never move it.

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by BJC

The problem is that the other team has two robots to shut down that one that might make a difference. So its pretty foolproof. Remember only one of the other team in the defending zone. The only way to stop them would be to Place a team right in their way in the begining and never move it.

The thing is, so far 217 and 469 are putting 5 balls into the goal/zone in autonomous and the other alliances aren't removing any. If the other alliance can even get some out during autonomous, it goes a long way to reducing the score of 469's alliance. Couple in a few more removed during teleop, and you give the other alliance a fighting chance.

[johnr]

469 just made every scout add a new line to their sheets,"Do you have a way to stop 469?"

[Norman J]

With a good forward, I'm not sure much can be done to stop 469. The defender would have to be way better than the forward to even give the other alliance a chance. I think the best way to stop them nay just be to stop them from deploying with a fast auton. The problem I see is that whatever team seeds first will pick 469, and assuming the first seed is deserving of said position, that alliance will just dominate.

The funny thing about this in my opinion is that lots of people thought of this idea. I know a few people on my team did. But everyone said something like "That has to be illegal", then scoured the rulebooks but didn't find anything. But almost no one built it anyway. Credit to 469 for having the guts to do what everyone else didn't. It's paying off!

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by Norman J

With a good forward, I'm not sure much can be done to stop 469. The defender would have to be way better than the forward to even give the other alliance a chance. I think the best way to stop them nay just be to stop them from deploying with a fast auton. The problem I see is that whatever team seeds first will pick 469, and assuming the first seed is deserving of said position, that alliance will just dominate.

The funny thing about this in my opinion is that lots of people thought of this idea. I know a few people on my team did. But everyone said something like "That has to be illegal", then scoured the rulebooks but didn't find anything. But almost no one built it anyway. Credit to 469 for having the guts to do what everyone else didn't. It's paying off!

There are other teams who attempted various forms of ball deflectors. However, of all of them we've seen so far, 469 has the best way to deflect them towards the goal consistently and (easily) the best way to remain in position. Most teams who built deflectors simply tried to stay put using their drive trains, rather than wedging themselves into the tunnel. I know of a couple other teams who will try and give 469 a run for their money, but I'm not optimistic about their chances. 469 executed their design extremely well, and should be the cream of the crop in that class of robot.

We'll see how they do in Troy (and Michigan States) before crowning them kings, though. Their strategy is still very dependent on having one or two capable robots in front of them to help with the scoring and one or two behind them to help add balls to the "cycle" initially.

[Chris Fultz]

Can someone post pictures or provide a link to video on 469?

I missed the webcasts today and am curious about what 469 looks like.

[TKM.368]

Originally Posted by Chris Fultz

Can someone post pictures or provide a link to video on 469?

I missed the webcasts today and am curious about what 469 looks like.

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...484#post936484

[ttldomination]

I have to respectfully disagree with the statement that 469 is unstoppable.

First off, don't get me wrong, they have one heck of a robot, and their design is *genius*.

But, 469 by themselves, or even with a couple of pusher bots against a kicker with a good holding mechanism would get annoying. This point has been brought up before in that how would they face against 217. My thought is that even if 217 was with them, if another robot, say 1114, was playing against them, then I believe the game would be much different.

469 is great because paired with a powerful kicker, they are unstoppable. But by themselves, they just represent a really unique design.

[GaryVoshol]

"Best" threads merged.

[Ty Tremblay]

469 on its own isn't necessarily a dominating robot. That being said however, I see 469 having the best chance of winning the world championship this year due to the fact that they can take any alliance with a powerful offensive robot and turn it into a juggernaut.

217 has designed yet another highly competitive robot (and one cannot talk about 217 without talking about 148), but I wouldn't say they're the best robot out there until we see other teams compete (such as 254, 968, and 971) in the week 3 regionals. The same goes for 1114.

In my opinion, 230 isn't in the same realm as the teams I've mentioned above. They've got a very consistent robot that performs well in every match, but they don't have the scoring capability of 217, 1114, 148, 67, or 469. We also must consider the level of competition at each team's respective regional events, and I believe that WPI did not have as deep a field of competition as some of the other regional events.

[Chris is me]

Most of the reason I mentioned 230 is because I figured most of the thread would mention 217, 1114, 469 repeatedly and discussion of other bests would be nice as well. Also, it's one of the few candidates I've seen in person.

I could see 230 as a second selection in a division with an alliance that has a bump traversing member that needs autonomous assistance. 230's opening "rush" often seals the deal, as if you clear an opponent's zone enough to execute a 2 on 1, that's basically the match right there.