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Unread 14-03-2010, 14:59
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Re: Autonomous runs during Teleop

Again, I'll happily investigate this and give an explanation if I can be given the rest of the code. Until then, I call voodoo.

I've worked on the LV team for 19.9 years. Anything is possible, but I've never seen the Abort method fail except in the cases I mentioned. It is possible that there is a bug in the framework, but my money is a bug in how the framework is being used. I'd like to look at the code to get to the bottom of it.

Telling people that LV cannot break out of a while loop, and that they need to add code to their loop in order for the autonomous to work is counter-productive. It is like telling people that the earth is flat or that drafts cause colds. If you have a VI that will not Abort, please send it to me, otherwise, perhaps your advice is doing more harm than good.

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Re: Autonomous runs during Teleop

while i find that partially offensive i will choose to ignore it,

i did not say "you need to do this" what i was after was more of a "if you have this problem you can try this"

i understand that you know the language and how things work with it a lot better than i do now and a lot better than i probably ever will but please, next time before you go taking my head off for advice given and please realize that it is simply that, advice, i gave it because it fixed the issue that this thread discussed, not because i thought i knew something better than the people that work with it.

now, with that being said if i in any way insulted you please forgive me, it was not my intention, in the future i will be sure to only give my opinion on things when it is asked of me
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Please don't do that. If you have something constructive to say, please say it. We all benefit from the ensuing dialog.

Greg is understandably frustrated because he wants to get to the bottom of this but he needs to see the mis-behaving project in order to analyze it to figure out what is going on. I would VERY much like to see that happen. How about it, Team 1528? Do us a favor and send your project to Greg for analysis.

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Re: Autonomous runs during Teleop

I wasn't trying to take off any heads or be offensive. We've all formed a model of how things work based on observations, only to later discover that those models sometimes need to be adjusted.

In post #17, you were giving some pretty strong advice which I would rather people did not follow. In fact it caused others concern and they asked for clarification from me.

Until I can look at the VI, I cannot explain everything, but I can say that it is very unlikely that Abort didn't work. There is no good reason to worry about loops in the auto independent code. In fact it was written the way it is to expressly allow loops.

Again, I know you were trying to help, and in most cases I wouldn't jump in so strongly. But, if we have to get into a tug-of-war as to whose advice to follow, I have to hold my ground. I want to see the evidence -- I want to look at the code -- before I'll buy into the conclusions presented.

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Re: Autonomous runs during Teleop

in rereading that post i have to agree with you there and have edited it to better reflect what my thoughts were on the issue, i apologize for any misunderstanding

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Awesome. Hopefully we can get to the bottom of this soon.

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Re: Autonomous runs during Teleop

What matt (zme) had our team do is currently having it work, and that's all I could ever hope for, and THANK YOU. As for posting the entire code with the errors before, I currently do NOT have a copy of it, BUT a former member MIGHT have it, and I will be able to get it to you from him tomorrow at our meeting (multiple people having backups is better than 1 person). If he does not have it, then I will post our current working code, which I believe is only different than the non-working autonomous one is the autonomous. (worded strangley, so here I try in smaller words) I think the working vs non- are same in every way but autonomous.
Hopefully this can be resolved for next year or find a way were I screwed something else up elsewhere.

Thanks everyone for showing all this enthousiasm (sorry for spelling) shown in this thread.
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What matt (zme) had our team do is currently having it work, and that's all I could ever hope for, and THANK YOU. As for posting the entire code with the errors before, I currently do NOT have a copy of it


May I politely suggest that there IS more to be hoped for - much more? There is so much that could be learned from your experience. And after all, isn't that what FRC is about?


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This should be the code in it's broken entirety. Enjoy.
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