The ultimate game breaker bot.

[Radical Pi]

I'd love to play against that bot if just for the huge number of Qualification point's I'd get from them

[Adam Freeman]

Originally Posted by Radical Pi

I'd love to play against that bot if just for the huge number of Qualification point's I'd get from them

Unfortunately, this type of robot usually does not produce a large amount of qualifing points since it is unlikely to be paired with dominant robot such as 217 at a standard regional/district during qualifing matches.

Not saying it can't happen, just that it is unlikely. This design is best suited for eliminations.

[JGurnow]

Funny thing is that in qualifying, they could just play the middle zone and score and be quite successful. In a match where they got blocked they played mid-zone and scored a healthy 5 points.

They don't need a dominant robot to get a good score, there highest was I believe 13 in qualifying. As long as their alliance had a robot that could push balls into the goal 2-3 times in the match, they would win. They had a match where they had only a single ball cycling and scored 6 points that way.

[jspatz1]

Looks like they actually used the back sloped side of the bump to gain horizontal speed and eliminate most of the bouncing. Am I seeing that right?

[Radical Pi]

Yeah that's what I saw too. The bump is used as an extension of the ramp. No idea how they can line that up so well for direct goals

[Thuperscout]

lol, thanks someone for already saying it, if you wanna be a God bot just be 469, screw the hanging hehe

[LegendOfSteve]

I'm still in awe over 469. Amazingly simplistic design, yet SO EFFECTIVE.

[sashboy226]

Originally Posted by sparrowkc

I find that my initial feelings of disgust towards a gamebreaker have been replaced by awe and amazement. That is beautiful.

You didnt fear the oncoming threat of the 217 and 469 alliance all through elims at Cass Tech....unfortunately we didnt make it to finals, but still.

[pfreivald]

That's an incredible robot. It looks like to defend against it you must:

A. Block the tunnel in autonomous, just long enough to get any balls scored out of the ball return. (And incidentally, do they have a way to stop themselves from going over the center line and incurring a penalty if they glance off of an opposing robot during autonomous?)

B. Clear their zone of balls very, very quickly. (This will require a good defensive bot with the ability to kick balls, preferably two zones).

If you can manage those two things, and then play relatively typical ball denial in the middle zone for the rest of the game, you should be able to pull off a win.

If you can't...

[bobrenjc93]

Just curious, has any robot tried pushing 469 out from the other side?

[Wildcat]

Originally Posted by bobrenjc93

Just curious, has any robot tried pushing 469 out from the other side?

i guarentee now that you said that teams are gonna be trying to do this this weekend @ mich. state championship if it hasnt been tried

[Josh Fox]

Originally Posted by Wildcat

i guarentee now that you said that teams are gonna be trying to do this this weekend @ mich. state championship if it hasnt been tried

I'm fairly certain it's been established that pushing them has been deemed near impossible once they're locked in the tunnel.

[pfreivald]

Originally Posted by bobrenjc93

Just curious, has any robot tried pushing 469 out from the other side?

We have videos of teams trying this to no avail. They don't just drive under, they lock themselves under. (Brilliant, I say!)

[bobrenjc93]

Originally Posted by pfreivald

We have videos of teams trying this to no avail. They don't just drive under, they lock themselves under. (Brilliant, I say!)

Eh? When you say "locking", do you mean an actual locking mechanism, or just the locking produced by the friction force? From the videos I've watched, it looks as if all 469 does is drive under the tower and raise their arm. I noticed that most teams try ramming them from the middle zone. My idea is to have a robot push from the defensive zone. Here is an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf4SRK7Whm8 (Skip to 1:25 if you don't want to watch the whole thing)

It seems to me that with good traction wheels (like the ones 148 and 217 use) and a high gear ratio, a robot should be able to push 469 out from under the tunnel.

[sashboy226]

They lock underneath the tower, I cant explain it because I dont completely understand it, but they do, I watched it happen a few times out of curiosity.