team standings as posted by usfirst.org

[martin417]

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod

You get one "hanging" point for being parked on the tower platform (and touching the tower sides).

Just curious, but where did you get that? this definition:

ELEVATED: A ROBOT that is completely above the plane of the PLATFORM and in contact with the TOWER shall be considered ELEVATED.

And this rule:

<G04> b. Each ELEVATED ROBOT is awarded 2 points, or each SUSPENDED ROBOT is awarded 3 points

Tell me otherwise. The GDC already stated on Q&A that the platform is part of the tower, and that a robot parked on the platform is considered "above the pane of the platform", and touching the tower. I see no rule awarding one point except a scored ball.

The way I read it, if you are parked on the platform, and no part of your robot is below the platform, regardless of whether or not you are touching the support poles for the tower, you get two bonus points.

[Mark McLeod]

No, I was wrong. I'd misremembered the point count at the end of the game animation.

The Head Ref at NJ addressing the driver teams did demonstrate that the robot on the platform was not considered elevated unless it also was touching part of the tower structure, e.g., a side pole, but I can't say if that interpretation was correct or even changed subsequent to the first week's regionals.

[martin417]

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod

No, I was wrong. I'd misremembered the point count at the end of the game animation.

The Head Ref at NJ addressing the driver teams did demonstrate that the robot on the platform was not considered elevated unless it also was touching part of the tower structure, e.g., a side pole, but I can't say if that interpretation was correct or even changed subsequent to the first week's regionals.

According to this Q&A answer, the head ref was, regrettably, incorrect.

Old 01-14-2010, 11:28 PM
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Default Re: <G30> Tower Contact - Platform
A ROBOT that is resting on top of the PLATFORM, with all parts of the ROBOT completely above the plane of the PLATFORM, is both in contact with the PLATFORM (which is part of the TOWER) and above the plane of the PLATFORM. Therefore, the definition of "ELEVATED" is satisfied.

[johnr]

I will go with what someone said earlier about a penalty knocking it down to one. Since there is no third team with a odd number i would guess that team was either a complete no-show or that team was dq'd.

[Steve W]

Originally Posted by Rizner

I disagree, the platform is part of the tower structure. The head ref seems correct in their statement to me.

I think that you misread the previous post. He was stating that the head ref would be wrong if they ruled that the robot on the platform had to be touching the poles to count. As you have noted and was in the rules, if the robot is on the platform then it is in contact with the tower even if it is not touching a pole.

[Rizner]

Originally Posted by Steve W

I think that you misread the previous post. He was stating that the head ref would be wrong if they ruled that the robot on the platform had to be touching the poles to count. As you have noted and was in the rules, if the robot is on the platform then it is in contact with the tower even if it is not touching a pole.

Originally Posted by martin417

What statement is that? I wasn't there, but according to Mark McLeod



If the head ref actually stated that a robot is not elevated unless it was touching a side pole, then he was incorrect.

The way I read it was the ref gave an example that the side pole was part of the tower, not saying that the pole was the tower (apparently reading the whole sentence helps). I see now that I have misread it -- sorry for the confusion.

[martin417]

Originally Posted by Rizner

I disagree, the platform is part of the tower structure. The head ref seems correct in their statement to me.

What statement is that? I wasn't there, but according to Mark McLeod

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod

.....The Head Ref at NJ addressing the driver teams did demonstrate that the robot on the platform was not considered elevated unless it also was touching part of the tower structure, e.g., a side pole, .....

If the head ref actually stated that a robot is not elevated unless it was touching a side pole, then he was incorrect.