<G39> Pinning

[yoda92]

At SVR there was only 1 match where i saw them begin to count compared to tons at the San Diego Regional, with the powerhouse teams like 254 and 100 at SVR there has to be something wrong.
i hope to post 2 matches in particular once they are posted on the blue alliance.

the continuous ramming and irritation is actually considered pinning because, according to <G39>, you must be 6 feet away for the pin to be finished.


It is quite easy for robots to tip and break due to bashing, thus why the yellow and red cards were introduced. This is also why the pinning rule was introduced a while back, but removed last year due to a lack of traction for robots and it being near impossible to flip with the trailers attached.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by yoda92

the continuous ramming and irritation is actually considered pinning because, according to <G39>, you must be 6 feet away for the pin to be finished.

Did you also read the part of <G39> specifying that pins are against a field element, border, or goal? If you aren't against a field element, border, or goal, you can't be pinned, no matter whether two robots are trapping you between them in the open field or not.

[yoda92]

yes the whole bump and perimeter piece is a consistent piece within the inconsistent calls

[Molten]

Originally Posted by yoda92

It is quite easy for robots to tip and break due to bashing

Not if its built properly. I've seen robots that have been dropped from a foot off the ground sideways, tipped over a few times, and thoroughly beaten on by defense. They will be fine as long as they were built robustly. If you don't build it to be tough, expect it to be broke.

[yoda92]

My team is robust, but you can't assume everyone else is. Also, there are some teams with hugely powerful drive trains and even the best designs can break.

[EricH]

<geezer> Back in my day, we knew how to build robots. None o' these here bumpers and bumper-bumper contact! Why, we built our robots to take a head-to-head, metal-on-metal impact from the other end of the field! And we still didn't have a lot of stuff break! You young 'uns build robots that wouldn't stand a chance in a durability contest! We had legal wedges! You want to tip over, come on up on my robot! Bumpers? Huh, only if you think you can fit 'em in size 'n weight! None of this here "bumper weight allowance"!</geezer>

Sorry, I just couldn't resist...

[yoda92]

Thats the most amazing thing ever, i'm a senior this year and i've been watching FRC since stack attack. Even i miss those days...........

[Andy L]

As the coach of a defensive team at SVR, I agree that the pin calls at SVR were horrible! We were one of the better defenders there, we didn't pin often on Thursday and Friday. On Saturday we kind of realized they weren't calling pins and started to take advantage of it. We could have a pin on for a good 2-3 seconds before the refs even started counting, hopefully they call them better at Davis

[Mr.G]

Originally Posted by EricH

<geezer> Back in my day, we knew how to build robots. None o' these here bumpers and bumper-bumper contact! Why, we built our robots to take a head-to-head, metal-on-metal impact from the other end of the field! And we still didn't have a lot of stuff break! You young 'uns build robots that wouldn't stand a chance in a durability contest! We had legal wedges! You want to tip over, come on up on my robot! Bumpers? Huh, only if you think you can fit 'em in size 'n weight! None of this here "bumper weight allowance"!</geezer>

Sorry, I just couldn't resist...

Amen.....I also like the good old days....We didn't use bumpers till we were forced to.....I would rather not have them.

[ExTexan]

<geezer> Back in my day, we knew how to build robots. None o' these here bumpers and bumper-bumper contact! Why, we built our robots to take a head-to-head, metal-on-metal impact from the other end of the field! And we still didn't have a lot of stuff break! You young 'uns build robots that wouldn't stand a chance in a durability contest! We had legal wedges! You want to tip over, come on up on my robot! Bumpers? Huh, only if you think you can fit 'em in size 'n weight! None of this here "bumper weight allowance"!</geezer>

Sorry, I just couldn't resist...

But you had the advantage of building your bot with a hammer and anvil and the kids today have to use those lightweight water jet things. And since they don't have to use theirs to pull a plow in the off-season like the early bots did then they are much more lightweight! Playing fields outdoors in the snow and the only field faults were when you ran out of gas!...ahh the old days

[EricH]

The one time I went to IRI, my folks and I went up north about an hour or so, to an area known as West Lafayette. We also went to a nearby historic battle site, where there just so happened to be a tractor show. One tractor had a blacksmithing shop on it (or rather, WAS the shop), so we took a picture and brought it to competition, saying that we'd brought a machine shop.