New vs old schedule advantages

[Alex Cormier]

Perfect example, why the answer is no.

http://www2.usfirst.org/2010comp/eve...edulequal.html

Check out 1114's schedule. 4 times they had basically back to back matches.

Time......Match #...................Teams
10:05 AM 5 1114 3190 2505 3161 2702 1334
10:31 AM 9 1565 1334 2185 1114 781 2702
10:43 AM 11 296 1503 1334 1000 1114 772
11:25 AM 17 771 3190 1535 1114 296 854
1:34 PM 25 3396 3161 1246 1310 2185 1114
1:50 PM 27 1565 1219 1114 843 1310 2625
2:46 PM 34 781 3396 2505 1075 1114 1535
3:02 PM 36 2361 1114 1246 772 771 2505
9:54 AM 44 610 2056 854 3161 1114 1503
10:10 AM 46 1334 1114 3396 1503 2056 2361
10:50 AM 51 771 1114 2056 1075 2609 843

[Daniel_LaFleur]

Originally Posted by Alex Cormier

Perfect example, why the answer is no.

http://www2.usfirst.org/2010comp/eve...edulequal.html

Check out 1114's schedule. 4 times they had basically back to back matches.

Time......Match #...................Teams
10:05 AM 5 1114 3190 2505 3161 2702 1334
10:31 AM 9 1565 1334 2185 1114 781 2702
10:43 AM 11 296 1503 1334 1000 1114 772
11:25 AM 17 771 3190 1535 1114 296 854
1:34 PM 25 3396 3161 1246 1310 2185 1114
1:50 PM 27 1565 1219 1114 843 1310 2625
2:46 PM 34 781 3396 2505 1075 1114 1535
3:02 PM 36 2361 1114 1246 772 771 2505
9:54 AM 44 610 2056 854 3161 1114 1503
10:10 AM 46 1334 1114 3396 1503 2056 2361
10:50 AM 51 771 1114 2056 1075 2609 843

With only 30 teams at Waterloo, and 6 teams on the field, and not wanting to play with and against the same teams every match, you will get schedules like this ... especially if you want 10+ matches in qual rounds.

Also, I don't think it hurt them too much as they seeded 2nd. Teams like 1114 usually take this as 'just another challange'

[Alex Cormier]

Originally Posted by Daniel_LaFleur

Also, I don't think it hurt them too much as they seeded 2nd. Teams like 1114 usually take this as 'just another challange'

And what about the other teams, or the rookies?

[Daniel_LaFleur]

Originally Posted by Alex Cormier

And what about the other teams, or the rookies?

2 answers:
1> Veteran assistance
2> Learning to deal with adversity and pressure.

People complained last year because teams only got 6-7 matches during their regional ... now your complaining because you get 11 matches and they are closer together (and will be unless more money can be raised to allow for 'extra' days at the competition).

Do the math. 6 teams on the field and 30 teams total. Average time between matches is 5 matches ... and this would pair you with the same teams every match (Ugh!).

So let me challange you. Come up with a better algorithm using only 30 teams and 6 teams on the field at the same time, with not playing the same teams all the time.

[Alex Cormier]

Originally Posted by Daniel_LaFleur

2 answers:
1> Veteran assistance
2> Learning to deal with adversity and pressure.

People complained last year because teams only got 6-7 matches during their regional ... now your complaining because you get 11 matches and they are closer together (and will be unless more money can be raised to allow for 'extra' days at the competition).

Do the math. 6 teams on the field and 30 teams total. Average time between matches is 5 matches ... and this would pair you with the same teams every match (Ugh!).

So let me challange you. Come up with a better algorithm using only 30 teams and 6 teams on the field at the same time, with not playing the same teams all the time.

I do not have the knowledge or get paid to, so no.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Alex Cormier

I do not have the knowledge or get paid to, so no.

Then you have three options: Learn the knowledge and find a place that will pay you to do so, talk to the people that developed the algorithm, or be quiet.

It might have been better for Waterloo to go to 10 matches with more time, but I don't think they had much of a choice.

[Chris is me]

Originally Posted by Alex Cormier

And what about the other teams, or the rookies?

This happens at most small events. You just deal with it and keep playing.

[Nawaid Ladak]

Originally Posted by Alex Cormier

9:54 AM 44 610 2056 854 3161 1114 1503
10:10 AM 46 1334 1114 3396 1503 2056 2361

2 great matches, the back to back made it so much better

[FRC4ME]

Glad to finally see some positive remarks about the ranking system.

One thing I did not like about the win/loss/tie system is how easily one uneven match could damage a team's chances for the top eight. At VCU, two losses usually meant your chances for top eight were virtually zero. Toward the end of Friday and beginning of Saturday, awaiting match results was extremely stressful for me, with the knowledge that a single penalty was about to decide whether my team was top eight or not.

The new ranking system seems to have removed this anxiety. It lets you just play the game, relax, and let your robot do what it's designed to do, with the knowledge that you will be ranked accordingly.

Agreed that some bugs need to be worked out, but for the most part, I think this ranking system is a step in the right direction.