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Re: Troy Athens Regional
Our team had asked the same question.
When we played 469 there was a suggestion to lose on purpose to boost our rank into the top 8. But we didn't think that was in the spirit of G.P. So we did our best to win and show off so a team in the top 8 would notice us and pick us. We knew we had a decent bot this year so why not play to win? |
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![]() Last edited by BJC : 28-03-2010 at 16:47. Reason: Never mind we did in fact lose that match, but I still predict blocking:) |
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#63
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Right, play to win. Play to win the event or play to win one match? This year, unfortunately, they are not the same thing. |
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#64
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It depends on your position. If you have a chance of seeding high play to win seeding points. If you don't have a chance at this, play to show off your robot so you will be picked for elims. Either way, the goal is to ultimatly, win so teams have to do their best with what their given.
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#65
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We knew we had an autonomous solely made to stop 469 from getting in the tunnel, but we had yet to try it out. So what do we do? Guarantee ourselves a higher rank by scoring on ourselves? or fight like crazy to impress everyone, and show that 469 is stoppable? I will admit I was torn as well. But, after talking it over, we decided to give it a fighting chance. Seeing our autonomous work and hearing the whole crowd go crazy, was one of the greatest feelings ever. And while we only beat 469 by a penalty, we also had one dead robot, and our robot's signal was cutting in and out. Even if we had lost, we showed to everyone and ourselves that 469 can be stopped. It was a much more satisfying feeling, then purposely throwing away the match. However, I will not criticize anyone who has used the 6 v 0 strategy. I understand why it is used, and how effective it can be. I just ask that teams think about actually trying to win first. It is much more satisfying and requires some, dare I say, fun strategic planning. Congrats once again to 469, 217, and our mentorees 1188 for their great win at Troy. We will see you all at states! ![]() |
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I used to subscribe to the "show off your robot and press your luck" strategy, then my team went from 17th to 7th at WPI with 5 carefully calculated matches. We ended up conceding 2 matches versus who would end up being the #1 seed, blocking our own goals in the second of those matches, which helped us keep our ranking up. You can turn any schedule into a positive schedule if you're smart and have a versatile robot. Despite only playing incidental defense, smart scouts did notice my team and saw that we had the potential to play smart and aggressive defense rather than simple pinning and ramming. |
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Because you guys (meaning both you and 469 as a pair) have used this strategy multiple times at multiple competitions. Yes you are 100% protected by the rules and nothing anywhere says that you cant do what you are doing, but don't expect to do what you do and come out smelling like roses. You guys are a great team, and that comes with a large target on your back, the strategy you guys are using makes that target so much bigger. Hence the being under the microscope scenario you are in.
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Please get your facts straight. The 6 v. 0 was used against us in Finger Lakes (unwillingly) and at Troy. At Cass Tech 469 pulled the 6 v. 0 agianst us to help themselves (we won 12 - 0, but it was only 1-0 due to penalties). The only time we (217) have actually strategized the 6 v. 0 was in the second match against 469 at Troy. Your multiple times at multiple competitions is simply libelous. My patience is wearing thin with false accusations against my team and my tolerance is now gone. Anyone else that is thinking about slandering or libeling my team please take notice. |
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For those of you just planning on blocking, please review the eliminations of Troy. You need a smarter strategy than "just blocking". |
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I seldom chime in on bickering like this but I will for this one:
The GDC decided on a new scoring system which is unique from anything used by any other sport on earth. They probably thought that they were being clever, but in some situations, this system takes away a team's motivation to win certain matches. I don't think that they saw this coming, which surprises me, since we saw it before we had even picked up our kit on Jan 9th. Hence update #16, which restores some, but not all, of the basic motivation to win most matches. Still the situation remains in qualifying that if your alliance honestly believes that you will not win, your best course of action is play a 6 vs 0 match. Some still consider this unsporting, but I completely agree with Paul: This is the world FIRST created for us, we are all just working within their system to get ahead where possible. If all 3 members of your alliance agree to play 6 vs 0, then there is nothing unsporting about it. It is legal, it is fair, and it is within the scope of the rules. "Don't hate the player, hate the game." If you don't like this reality, let FIRST know in any way that you can and hopefully in the future they will return to a more straightforward W/L/T based seeding system, which has worked successfully from 2004-2009. |
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As a result, anyone who intends to play the elims at States had better be working on a way to nullify that advantage. That's tougher than it sounds, because as you saw (if you were watching) at Troy, they seem to have improved maneuvering issues and now look to be a dangerous robot even without the redirection system. Kudos to them. |
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