WET610N DISQUALIFICATION at regional event!!

[RoyerAJ]

Originally Posted by EricH

Next time, point to the inspection checklist. In TWO different places, it declares the WET610N to be legal. (under Wireless Encryption and Robot Radio) I would hope that all inspectors can at least read the checklist...

If the inspector doesn't believe you, get the Lead Inspector. If the Lead Inspector doesn't believe you, have him talk to FRC HQ, or get the FTA, who can also do that. Bring out the Manual.

That call should never have been made.

We were not dealing with the inspectors when this happened it was actually the field officials and we had already been through inspection

Originally Posted by Mike Betts

Eric,

Please calm down. Fanning hysteria will not improve the situation.

It would appear that 2004 passed inspection successfully and it was a field official that disqualified them. These people are only human and under a huge pressure to keep the event running on time.

Yes, the head referee or FTA should have contacted robot inspection on this issue. I am also a bit incredulous that all key field personnel were not well aware of this issue.

Regardless, people make mistakes. We all need to be flexible and smart when dealing with the unexpected...

My quandary is not how this could have happened but rather why the FTA did not order a replay of this match after it was determined that the team was legal and a procedural error was made.

Regards,

Mike

If the judges had attempted to rectify their mistakes by issuing a reply I would not have posted this thread at all because it would have been fairly dealt with.

Originally Posted by gblake

Let's think twice about this. A shortage of seeding points would get in the way of becoming an Alliance Captain; but it should not have interfered with a good team_plus_robot being drafted.

High seeding points are certainly not the only way to join a strong elimination round alliance.

Blake

I understand that a team is picked based on performance and not solely on ranking. However, I also acknowledge that ranking is a good indicator of not only robot skill but also driver skill, strategy, and ability to cooperate with team members. These other traits are not as clearly seen by observing matches as is robot skill alone.

Originally Posted by EricH

If they were under a time crunch, I could understand.

It would also depend on when the red card was issued. If it was issued after the match, I would guess that there is a way to go in and remove it in the scoring system, should that be judged necessary--it would take a while to show, though. If it was issued before the match, then a replay would be the only way to fairly deal with the issue. Unfortunately, due to time constraints, replays are somewhat tricky to fit in.

I wonder if the field crew didn't see the inspection sticker indicating "passed". If they had seen it, then they certainly should have called the inspection team for confirmation when this came up. It sounds like they saw the radio and said "Oh, the inspectors made a mistake" and issued a red card. (Whether you think that's a good call based on <S04> is up to you.)

At the time this occurred I believe the schedule was running on time. The only delays that occurred happened the second day of seeding matches (our situation occurred the first) due to two other teams switching to the new adapter without telling the officials. They were not disqualified as we were, but the confusion in connection error due to the change in hardware left the schedule behind by as much as thirty minutes.

PS the disqualification occurred before the matches start.