Rosie stuffs Thrust

[Rosiebotboss]

Rosie stuffed Thrust into the goal at the CT Regional during semi final match 3 (which tied at 6-6).

A triangular robot into a triangular goal...let's see if it fits! Easily the most talked about play during the elims.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhzVK20i5uo

[Chickenonastick]

Interesting, was the red alliance robot disabled by mechanical issues or by default for unsafe play?

[cziggy343]

Originally Posted by robotking

No actually while i was driving i went back and hit them again to make sure they would stay in and the main breaker popped and i lost power cause of our 4 cims heating up, and it was legal to do that, just they said if i did it again i would be red carded

if it was legal, why were they going to red card you?

[SafetyGracie]

Originally Posted by robotking

No actually while i was driving i went back and hit them again to make sure they would stay in

I really don't know how to feel about that statement....

[cziggy343]

Originally Posted by SafetyGracie

I really don't know how to feel about that statement....

im not sure how i would feel about it either

[AcesJames]

Up until CT this weekend, I'd never seen Rosie play defense....and I'd hardly ever seen a team play such aggressive defense...

I'm not calling anyone on Rosie out, and getting into the game is always a good thing, but remember GP, and always treat other robots as you'd like yours to be treated.

[XaulZan11]

Originally Posted by cziggy343

im not sure how i would feel about it either

Add me to the club. Isn't there rules to allow tipped robots to get up? I feel this is very similar to that.

I will add that if my team did something similar, I certainly would not start a thread about it. I don't want to draw attentions to actions that cause red cards.

[cziggy343]

Originally Posted by XaulZan11

Add me to the club. Isn't there rules to allow tipped robots to get up? I feel this is very similar to that.

I will add that if my team did something similar, I certainly would not start a thread about it.

well, especially since it was so blatent, i would say that it should have been called excessive pinning. either way, not in favor of the move. its one thing if it happens on accident (which i have seen a good bit) but its another for it to be that blatent.

[thefro526]

I really questioned the legality of this move, and was a bit angered to see it. It would be one thing if Thrust has driven themselves in the goal and you had just sat your robot behind them to hold them there, or even if you had just further nudged them in, but consciously pushing them in and knowing that they could not drive out of the goal is an entirely different matter.

Also, I'm not entirely sure that the move in itself was legal:

<G36> ROBOT to ROBOT Interaction - Strategies aimed solely at the destruction, damage, tipping over, or entanglement of ROBOTS are not in the spirit of the FRC and are not allowed. Violation: YELLOW CARD

I would consider that strategy aimed at entangling the robot in the goal so that it cannot get out.

[SafetyGracie]

Originally Posted by XaulZan11

Add me to the club. Isn't there rules to allow tipped robots to get up? I feel this is very similar to that.

No ref saw the penalty @ :33 in the video so they couldn't count it.

[Andrew Schreiber]

Originally Posted by AcesJames

Up until CT this weekend, I'd never seen Rosie play defense....and I'd hardly ever seen a team play such aggressive defense...

I'm not calling anyone on Rosie out, and getting into the game is always a good thing, but remember GP, and always treat other robots as you'd like yours to be treated.

Reading this I was reminded of 494 in 2004. Their defense was legal (except when they hit 1501 when they were trying to self right) but a little more aggressive than most.

I agree it wasn't the NICEST move but it was effective and didn't damage the robot in any way correct?

[Vermeulen]

I agree with thefro, that was obviously intentional entanglement.
Earlier in the video, I also saw them trying to tip 1501 over, which would also be a violation of this rule. If the refs didn't call it, then you guys (1501) should have talked to them after the match.

[Chris is me]

Rosie played excellent defense at WPI and CT. 2791's robot received several tears in bumper fabric as well as a completely destroyed pneumatic solenoid with their high acceleration drivetrain (6 motor?). But there were instances in that video of red card worthy action.

When they tipped 1501, then 1501 activated their righter, Rosie pushed against them so they'd stay tipped. Watch the video 2 or 3 times, they CLEARLY saw it start to right and hit it again.

<G32> ROBOT Protection while Righting – Before the FINALE, ROBOTS attempting to right themselves or their ALLIANCE partners have one 10-second grace period per fallen ROBOT in which they may not be contacted by an opposing ROBOT. This protection continues for either 10 seconds or when the protected ROBOTS have completed the righting operation, whichever time comes first. Violation: PENALTY for inadvertent contact; plus a RED CARD for obviously intentional contact.

In addition, the goal thing could be considered a violation of intentional entanglement, as that is exactly what it was.

I hope the GDC adds a rule prohibiting such a move explicitly. That you can take a robot and goal simeltaneously out of commission like that is insane. If that's 100% legal, I guess I'll tell my drivers to shove robots into goals in the offseason.

[cziggy343]

Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber

Reading this I was reminded of 494 in 2004. Their defense was legal (except when they hit 1501 when they were trying to self right) but a little more aggressive than most.

I agree it wasn't the NICEST move but it was effective and didn't damage the robot in any way correct?

we are questioning whether the robot was actually ok... we are questioning the legality of the move and why they were so proud as to put a video up of it.

[thefro526]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

But there were instances in that video of red card worthy action.

When they tipped 1501, then 1501 activated their righter, Rosie pushed against them so they'd stay tipped.

After watching the video again, I believe you are absolutely correct.

Aside from the intentional tipping attempts, 1501 should've been given 10 seconds to attempt to self-right before anyone could've touched them again.

I did like how 1501 played dead once they realized that even their attempt to self-right would be defended.