Undefeated Teams at Regional Events

[keehun]

525 was REALLY close... They only lost in the Finals at Minnesota 10,000 Lakes.

[Cory]

1114 isn't undefeated. They got DQ'ed twice at Waterloo.

[jspatz1]

Originally Posted by Cory

1114 isn't undefeated. They got DQ'ed twice at Waterloo.

Not sure that qualifies as defeated. Not reflected in their record at least. I'm not touting any particular team, just sharing some research.

[keehun]

Originally Posted by Cory

1114 isn't undefeated. They got DQ'ed twice at Waterloo.

How did they get DQ'd?.. I just never seen it... and certainly not from a team like 1114!

[Josh Fox]

Originally Posted by keehun

How did they get DQ'd?.. I just never seen it... and certainly not from a team like 1114!

Now I don't know for sure, but what I thought I heard happen was that, in an attempt to maximize their seeding points, 1114 went into their opponents home zone to score balls for them while another robot on their alliance was already in that zone.

This happened to 67 at MSC as well in one match.

[jspatz1]

Originally Posted by Josh Fox

Now I don't know for sure, but what I thought I heard happen was that, in an attempt to maximize their seeding points, 1114 went into their opponents home zone to score balls for them while another robot on their alliance was already in that zone.

This happened to 67 at MSC as well in one match.

Certainly wouldn't call that a defeat. Just a "Doh!" moment.

[Karthik]

Originally Posted by Josh Fox

Now I don't know for sure, but what I thought I heard happen was that, in an attempt to maximize their seeding points, 1114 went into their opponents home zone to score balls for them while another robot on their alliance was already in that zone.

This happened to 67 at MSC as well in one match.

Yup, Josh has it right. It happened twice in Waterloo. The first time was a complete goof up on our part, we totally missed the presence of one of our partners in the defensive zone. The second time we were heading back over the bump to the defensive zone, but at the same time our partner zoomed through the tunnel and beat us into the zone. Either way, they were both a couple of embarrassing mistakes that Kyle Willick (The Commander) won't live down for a while.

(On the other hand, this goes down in a long line of embarrassing mistakes by Simbot coaches. In 2008, Derek Bessette had the drive team hurdle the wrong colour ball twice at the start of a match at the Midwest Regional.)

Anyways, back to the topic of undefeated teams, here is what the Simbot Research & Statistics teams has come up with:

              
Team   R Desc   Result    Record     Standings        
359   Arizona   Regional Winner   8-0-2   1         
1124   Connecticut   Regional Winner   8-0-2   1    
148   Dallas   Regional Winner   9-0-0   1       
217   Cass Tech    Regional Winner   12-0-0   1            
359   Hawaii   Regional Winner   12-0-0   1       
368   Hawaii   Regional Winner   12-0-0   2       
1732   Midwest   Regional Winner   10-0-0   2             
1986   Minnesota North Star   Regional Winner   9-0-0   2       
71   Minnesota North Star   Regional Winner   8-0-1   1       
1208   St. Louis   Regional Winner   11-0-1   1       
25   Las Vegas   Regional Winner   10-0-0   1        
1114   Greater Toronto   Regional Winner   9-0-1   1       
1114   Pittsburgh   Regional Winner   11-0-1   1       
971   Silicon Valley   Regional Winner   10-0-0   1       
254   Silicon Valley   Regional Winner   9-0-1   2       
1676   Virginia   Regional Winner   9-0-0   1          
1114   Waterloo   Regional Winner   11-0-0   1       

All this and more will be included in the 2010 Team 1114 Championship Scouting Database, which will be released shortly after the announcement of the Championship divisions.

[eyu100]

Originally Posted by Karthik

Yup, Josh has it right. It happened twice in Waterloo. The first time was a complete goof up on our part, we totally missed the presence of one of our partners in the defensive zone. The second time we were heading back over the bump to the defensive zone, but at the same time our partner zoomed through the tunnel and beat us into the zone. Either way, they were both a couple of embarrassing mistakes that Kyle Willick (The Commander) won't live down for a while.

(On the other hand, this goes down in a long line of embarrassing mistakes by Simbot coaches. In 2008, Derek Bessette had the drive team hurdle the wrong colour ball twice at the start of a match at the Midwest Regional.)

Anyways, back to the topic of undefeated teams, here is what the Simbot Research & Statistics teams has come up with:

              
Team   R Desc   Result    Record     Standings        
359   Arizona   Regional Winner   8-0-2   1         
1124   Connecticut   Regional Winner   8-0-2   1    
148   Dallas   Regional Winner   9-0-0   1       
217   Cass Tech    Regional Winner   12-0-0   1            
359   Hawaii   Regional Winner   12-0-0   1       
368   Hawaii   Regional Winner   12-0-0   2       
1732   Midwest   Regional Winner   10-0-0   2             
1986   Minnesota North Star   Regional Winner   9-0-0   2       
71   Minnesota North Star   Regional Winner   8-0-1   1       
1208   St. Louis   Regional Winner   11-0-1   1       
25   Las Vegas   Regional Winner   10-0-0   1        
1114   Greater Toronto   Regional Winner   9-0-1   1       
1114   Pittsburgh   Regional Winner   11-0-1   1       
971   Silicon Valley   Regional Winner   10-0-0   1       
254   Silicon Valley   Regional Winner   9-0-1   2       
1676   Virginia   Regional Winner   9-0-0   1          
1114   Waterloo   Regional Winner   11-0-0   1       

All this and more will be included in the 2010 Team 1114 Championship Scouting Database, which will be released shortly after the announcement of the Championship divisions.

This list doesn't seem to include elimination matches...

[Karthik]

Originally Posted by eyu100

This list doesn't seem to include elimination matches...

Correct. This is the full list of teams who went undefeated at a regional, but the record shown is just for qualifying. Our database only tracks record by qualifying matches, but I manually pulled out the teams who went undefeated in qualifying and then went on to lose an elimination match.

[Joe Ross]

Originally Posted by eyu100

This list doesn't seem to include elimination matches...

While the records show the qualification records only, it does not include teams that were undefeated during qualifying and then lost during the eliminations.

[jspatz1]

Originally Posted by Karthik

Anyways, back to the topic of undefeated teams, here is what the Simbot Research & Statistics teams has come up with:

              
Team   R Desc   Result    Record     Standings        
359   Arizona   Regional Winner   8-0-2   1         
1124   Connecticut   Regional Winner   8-0-2   1    
148   Dallas   Regional Winner   9-0-0   1       
217   Cass Tech    Regional Winner   12-0-0   1            
359   Hawaii   Regional Winner   12-0-0   1       
368   Hawaii   Regional Winner   12-0-0   2       
1732   Midwest   Regional Winner   10-0-0   2             
1986   Minnesota North Star   Regional Winner   9-0-0   2       
71   Minnesota North Star   Regional Winner   8-0-1   1       
1208   St. Louis   Regional Winner   11-0-1   1       
25   Las Vegas   Regional Winner   10-0-0   1        
1114   Greater Toronto   Regional Winner   9-0-1   1       
1114   Pittsburgh   Regional Winner   11-0-1   1       
971   Silicon Valley   Regional Winner   10-0-0   1       
254   Silicon Valley   Regional Winner   9-0-1   2       
1676   Virginia   Regional Winner   9-0-0   1          
1114   Waterloo   Regional Winner   11-0-0   1       

What an amazing coincidence that EVERY ONE of those undefeated teams was also regional winner!

[Vikesrock]

Originally Posted by jspatz1

What an amazing coincidence that EVERY ONE of those undefeated teams was also regional winner!

He manually took out teams that were undefeated in quals but did not win the regional or lost an elims match on the way to a regional win.

[jspatz1]

It was a joke. Undefeated = Winner. OK, so I'm no comedian.

[waialua359]

Originally Posted by jspatz1

It was a joke. Undefeated = Winner. OK, so I'm no comedian.

I thought you were serious before I read that the undefeated qualification match teams were taken out, if they lost during elimination matches.

[EricH]

Actually, in FIRST, undefeated == winner.

If you never lose a match, and you have to lose two matches to be out of the eliminations, then if you are undefeated and the event is over, you have won the event.

Barring incidents like eyu100 suggests (which, BTW, have yet to happen--after about the second red card, most teams would be seriously thinking about switching out whoever was responsible, if they hadn't already done so), the above holds.

However, winner != undefeated. Every team that won that isn't on the list is proof that that last statement is true.

Also note that, while I won't tell you this officially or at an event, by competing in the competition, even if you don't win anything, you win just as much as by winning the event. Remember, I won't tell you this. I prefer to let you find out for yourself.