Einstein Field: Division Winner Predictions

[V_Chip]

Currently, there is an individual thread for each division; be it Archimedes, Curie, Galileo, or Newton: the underlying discussion always flows towards the "powerhouses". Who has the best chance of making it to Einstein?

http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...nt.aspx?id=432

I decided to make this thread in order to discuss this in one place, rather than going from thread-to-thread.

So, Chief Delphi community, WHO will breakaway from the wide assortment of teams to make it to Einstein? To the TOP?

Let the Buzzing begin.

[Zach O]

I know in Curie several people are talking about seeing 1114 and 469 team up and take it all. I'm gonna wait until I see a few matches on Thursday before I make a call though.

[Akash Rastogi]

Just wait for Looking Forward's Championship predictions. I have a feeling they will be really well written and insightful. More than anything people will post up in this thread.

In the mean time....67 and 125 for Newton, if all goes well for our friends in Boston

[V_Chip]

Both teams are fantastic. However most teams have implemented autonomous or some other strategy to shut out 469 from the tower.

1114 is more of the wide-range type of robot with excellent scoring capabilities.

469 must be able to attach to the tower in order to cycle balls, and also needs a good scoring robot on their side to support their efforts.

If their denied access to the tower . . .

[Clinton Bolinger]

469 is just as deadly out of the Tunnel, they are an excellent mid field shooter. (probably in the top 5 shooters on Curie)

In order to beat 469 you have to do more then just keep them out of the tunnel/tower.

-Clinton-

[EricH]

That would be 1114 and 469, coming out of the Curie division. Prediction: massive scores, no third matches.

Actual predictions:

Archimedes: Very strong division making predictions hard. However, I see 25, 341, 1629 coming out on top after a hard fight against a field that includes 359, 148, 330, 33, 254, 1918, and 71. It's so close that I'm not going to predict who the finalists are.
Galileo: 1086, 2056, 1625 best 217, 1717, 1466 in the finals to move on.
Curie: 1114, 469, 111 best 2345, 1732, 115 to come to the big show.
Newton: 67, 294, 1902 best 16, 910, 932.

Depending who plays who:
A-C, G-N:
C, G
C wins.

A-G, C-N:
A, C
C wins.

A-N, G-C:
N, C
C wins.

We all know how predictions are, though.

[jblay]

My call for each division:

Galileo: 1717, 217
Curie: 1114, 469
Newton: 67, 1902 but somehow 177 will be on einstein again, it is their destiny.
Archimedes: 25, 330

[Ian Curtis]

Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi

Just wait for Looking Forward's Championship predictions. I have a feeling they will be really well written and insightful. More than anything people will post up in this thread.

In the mean time....67 and 125 for Newton, if all goes well for our friends in Boston

Excuse the mild threadjacking, but what was holding up 125 in Boston? Why were the balls missing the robot so much, and why wasn't it an easy fix? When they caught the ball, it seemed like their direction mechanism actually worked better than 469.

[waialua359]

Originally Posted by EricH

That would be 1114 and 469, coming out of the Curie division. Prediction: massive scores, no third matches.

Actual predictions:

Archimedes: Very strong division making predictions hard. However, I see 25, 341, 1629 coming out on top after a hard fight against a field that includes 359, 148, 330, 33, 254, 1918, and 71. It's so close that I'm not going to predict who the finalists are.
Galileo: 1086, 2056, 1625 best 217, 1717, 1466 in the finals to move on.
Curie: 1114, 469, 111 best 2345, 1732, 115 to come to the big show.
Newton: 67, 294, 1902 best 16, 910, 932.

Depending who plays who:
A-C, G-N:
C, G
C wins.

A-G, C-N:
A, C
C wins.

A-N, G-C:
N, C
C wins.

We all know how predictions are, though.

I'd bet money that the bold alliance will never happen. Two of them yes, but no scouters will let all 3 get together.

[Tom Line]

Originally Posted by Vector MycroftH

Both teams are fantastic. However most teams have implemented autonomous or some other strategy to shut out 469 from the tower.

1114 is more of the wide-range type of robot with excellent scoring capabilities.

469 must be able to attach to the tower in order to cycle balls, and also needs a good scoring robot on their side to support their efforts.

If their denied access to the tower . . .

If they are denied access to the tower they will tear you apart by scoring. They are deadly accurate from the midfield and their drivetrain modifications before Michigan State Championship made them as fast and as agile as any other robot. While you stick your robot in the tower to keep them away, they are free to score and your alliance is down a robot.

I don't want to turn this into a 469 thread, but simply denying them a tower doesn't win you the match. Not by a long shot.

That said, I fully expect to see 469+1114 against 67 and whomever comes out of Newton with them.

[jblay]

Originally Posted by waialua359

I'd bet money that the bold alliance will never happen. Two of them yes, but no scouters will let all 3 get together.

Thats what they said about 1114, 217, and 148. But that alliance isn't going to happen.

[waialua359]

Originally Posted by jblay

Thats what they said about 1114, 217, and 148. But that alliance isn't going to happen.

That was a different game with 2 huge scoring balls only. 148 was a lapbot.

1114, 469 and 111 will NOT happen. If it did, scouters will be fired.

[V_Chip]

Originally Posted by Tom Line

If they are denied access to the tower they will tear you apart by scoring. They are deadly accurate from the midfield and their drivetrain modifications before Michigan State Championship made them as fast and as agile as any other robot. While you stick your robot in the tower to keep them away, they are free to score and your alliance is down a robot.

I don't want to turn this into a 469 thread, but simply denying them a tower doesn't win you the match. Not by a long shot.

That said, I fully expect to see 469+1114 against 67 and whomever comes out of Newton with them.

My intention was not to demean 469 capabilities when not attached to the tower- not by a long shot. What I meant to do was to compare 1114 and 469's differences in approach to their scoring methods observed from their previous regionals attended.

Apologies.

However I also did not intend for this thread to focus only Curie's most acknowledged teams. Other divisions?

[EricH]

Originally Posted by jblay

Thats what they said about 1114, 217, and 148. But that alliance isn't going to happen.

This year, we KNOW that that one isn't going to happen.

And when I wrote that post, it was simply a matter of: Who's likely to slide down the farthest without people noticing? Wildstang has yet to make it past the semis this year, with a 21-8-1 regional record. There's a chance they'll slide, and 1114's scouters are very, very good.

[Akash Rastogi]

Originally Posted by iCurtis

Excuse the mild threadjacking, but what was holding up 125 in Boston? Why were the balls missing the robot so much, and why wasn't it an easy fix? When they caught the ball, it seemed like their direction mechanism actually worked better than 469.

They have a few variables in their system.

1) The ball first bounces on one of the horizontal bars of the ball return so this variable greatly effects the behavior of the ball in thier system.

2) Speed variations of the ball coming down the ball return would change the free-fall of the ball from their director dramatically (I know right, "no duh" moment).

3) They are able to adjust the angle of their robot once they hang, so yet again, variable.

But even with slight problems, we were all stunned that they were not selected in Boston because
1) They guarantee a hanging bonus

2) They direct the ball into the near zone, who cares if it doesn't go into the goal???

I really don't think people in Boston understood the real value of a robot that guarantees balls returning to the near zone.