Einstein Field: Division Winner Predictions

[Akash Rastogi]

25, 254, 1519 win Archi

67, 971, 11 come out of Newton (hey I can dream if I want)

2056, 217, 694 take Galileo

Curie: 469, that terrible Canadaland team, 2648

Newton wins it all.





And then I wake up and see Curie receiving their medals.

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[sammyjalex]

I've been tempted to post my outrageous predictions thanks to Barry's bold challenge. Like anyone's this is tainted with my perspective of strategy and skill and is of course optimistic forward my former team, but in no way am I fooling myself just hopeful. Also I think The Killer Daisy Resistance would be a pretty great name for the defensive alliance that shuts down the beast I'd love feedback.


Archimedes
25 254 103 SF
330 359 1218 QF
148 71 1612 QF
45 968 375 SF
118 176 1 QF
1918 1519 70 F
341 33 86 W
1124 234 358 QF
Curie
1114 469 2630 W
368 1676 1538 F
1251 88 192 SF
340 27 2612 SF
111 1511 2992 QF
2337 1732 1421 QF
2775 171 816 QF
191 573 1986 QF
Galileo
2056 217 1466 W
2016 1717 1696 F
100 1086 1305 QF
188 63 79 QF
694 56 263 SF
365 1625 51 SF
1058 1714 2036 QF
3138 230 271 QF
Newton
67 971 125 W
842 16 308 SF
910 1718 20 F
2377 868 1208 QF
1718 343 706 SF
1902 525 1551 QF
177 294 2771 QF
1922 1592 2619 QF
Einstein
1114 469 2630 SF
67 971 125 F
2056 217 1466 SF
341 33 86 W

Thank you. I guess I missed that. This is what is was supposed to be.

[waialua359]

Originally Posted by sammyjalex

I've been tempted to post my outrageous predictions thanks to Barry's bold challenge. Like anyone's this is tainted with my perspective of strategy and skill and is of course optimistic forward my former team, but in no way am I fooling myself just hopeful. Also I think The Killer Daisy Resistance would be a pretty great name for the defensive alliance that shuts down the beast I'd love feedback.


Archimedes
25 254 103 SF
330 359 1218 QF
148 71 1612 F
45 968 375 SF
118 176 1 QF
1918 1519 70 QF
341 33 86 W
1124 70 358 QF
Curie
1114 469 2630 W
368 1676 1538 F
1251 88 192 SF
340 27 2612 SF
111 1511 2992 QF
2337 1732 1421 QF
2775 171 816 QF
191 573 1986 QF
Galileo
2056 217 1466 W
2016 1717 1696 F
100 1086 2036 QF
188 63 79 QF
694 56 263 SF
365 1625 51 SF
1058 1714 2036 QF
3138 230 271 QF
Newton
67 971 125 W
842 16 308 F
910 1718 20 SF
2377 868 1208 QF
1718 343 706 SF
1902 525 1551 QF
177 294 2771 QF
1922 1592 2619 QF
Einstein
1114 469 2630 SF
67 16 706 SF
2056 217 1466 F
341 33 86 W

Nice, 2 Hawaii teams.
I think 2437 will make elims also from HI in their division.

** You also listed 2036 twice.

[Basel A]

25 254 103 SF
330 359 1218 QF
148 71 1612 F
45 968 375 SF
118 176 1 QF
1918 1519 70 QF
341 33 86 W
1124 70 358 QF

This is quite impossible. #1, #4, #5, or #8 must be in the finals
Similarly, only one of #2, #3, #6, and #7 can be in the finals

[ttldomination]

Originally Posted by waialua359

The only way to beat a 469 alliance is to outscore them. There is no other way.

I think that you plan on outscoring 469, then you have your work cut out for you.

In MSC, the finalist alliance played galliantly, and gave the champions a run for their money. This was purely because 217 was dedicated to keeping balls out of 469's loop, and then 67 and 2612 would take care of the scoring.

I'm not going to try to be some of non-conformist, and say that Curie is not going to take it. 1114 by themselves are formidable, but paired with 469, they're nearly impossible to beat.

- Sunny

[waialua359]

Originally Posted by ttldomination

I think that you plan on outscoring 469, then you have your work cut out for you.

In MSC, the finalist alliance played galliantly, and gave the champions a run for their money. This was purely because 217 was dedicated to keeping balls out of 469's loop, and then 67 and 2612 would take care of the scoring.

I'm not going to try to be some of non-conformist, and say that Curie is not going to take it. 1114 by themselves are formidable, but paired with 469, they're nearly impossible to beat.

- Sunny

Isolating this quote alone doesnt tell what I'm trying to convey.
I agree with your statements.
In re-watching the video clips, the defense played by 217, and then getting balls out of the far zone, was their strategy (obvious from the clips).

I'm saying why not do it doing auto, proceed straight to any balls shot over by opponents during auto when the match starts, then moving to the midfield for a 2 on 1 battle to get it to your striker.
I've seen it done at regionals but the problem is that there was always an average to less-than-average 3rd partner. At CMP, it might be a different story with stacked robots to choose from.

Even though teams claim that they know how to beat them, and the strategies were somewhat effective, the bottom line is it didnt work and 469 has won every regional they've attended, regardless of what good partners they had.

Dont get me wrong, a 1114-469 alliance wont be easy to beat, and I was one of the early ones that predicted a championship if either one is the #1 seed, for obvious reasons.

No offense to the other divisions, but with Archimedes as the deepest division, they have the best chance of having the best 1-2-3 punch to "try" and counter 460-1114. Its not that the other divisions dont have great teams, its just that getting 3 powerhouses together will be tougher than Archi.

[Craig Roys]

Originally Posted by waialua359

Isolating this quote alone doesnt tell what I'm trying to convey.
I agree with your statements.
In re-watching the video clips, the defense played by 217, and then getting balls out of the far zone, was their strategy (obvious from the clips).

I'm saying why not do it doing auto, proceed straight to any balls shot over by opponents during auto when the match starts, then moving to the midfield for a 2 on 1 battle to get it to your striker.
I've seen it done at regionals but the problem is that there was always an average to less-than-average 3rd partner. At CMP, it might be a different story with stacked robots to choose from.

Even though teams claim that they know how to beat them, and the strategies were somewhat effective, the bottom line is it didnt work and 469 has won every regional they've attended, regardless of what good partners they had.

Dont get me wrong, a 1114-469 alliance wont be easy to beat, and I was one of the early ones that predicted a championship if either one is the #1 seed, for obvious reasons.

No offense to the other divisions, but with Archimedes as the deepest division, they have the best chance of having the best 1-2-3 punch to "try" and counter 460-1114. Its not that the other divisions dont have great teams, its just that getting 3 powerhouses together will be tougher than Archi.

The problem is if you let 469 get more than 2 (maybe 3) balls in the loop without a defender, you cannot outscore them. If you are able to clear all balls out starving them, then you have another problem; 469 will come out of the tunnel and begin moving balls back into their zone - they are pretty maneuverable and have a great kicker. Then they will go back to the tunnel and you're back to the first problem. You cannot beat them without defending against them. It seems that about 3 things have to go right during a match to be able to beat them (which is possible), but now add to that that you have to be able to do this 2 out of 3 matches! 67, 217, and 2612 came very close to doing just that at MSC - a tie, a win, and two very close losses.

[dsmoker]

Joe,

Thanks for the props for some CT teams!! Us, Gaelhawks, Bobcats, Uberbots and Buzz all making elimns in your model. I'll take it!!

[waialua359]

Originally Posted by Craig Roys

The problem is if you let 469 get more than 2 (maybe 3) balls in the loop without a defender, you cannot outscore them. If you are able to clear all balls out starving them, then you have another problem; 469 will come out of the tunnel and begin moving balls back into their zone - they are pretty maneuverable and have a great kicker. Then they will go back to the tunnel and you're back to the first problem. You cannot beat them without defending against them. It seems that about 3 things have to go right during a match to be able to beat them (which is possible), but now add to that that you have to be able to do this 2 out of 3 matches! 67, 217, and 2612 came very close to doing just that at MSC - a tie, a win, and two very close losses.

Good points as I haven't seen enough footage of them playing the midfield.
Would one option be to play defense on them and prevent them from going back into the tunnel.
Also, based on the video clips, I can't tell if 217 is firing balls directly to their home zone directly or not. Because if they are, then I agree that it is a good strategy indeed.
The fact that you're saying only two balls in the loop to win with no defense is tough for "any" opposing alliance.

[sammyjalex]

At MSC, when 70 and 910 played 469 and 1918, it really seemed like, between the pinning and the pushing 469 was in submission to the opposing alliance...at least for 20 seconds They were tipped for 10 seconds and pushed around for many more. If an alliance is strong enough to be able to commit one robot to pinning 469 and especially strong enough to be able to pin 469 and the third robot defending the defender but primarily 469 for the 2.25 minutes while the other two robots are able to play 2 on 1 in or 2 on 0 in the home and middle zone and either starve the only free robot of balls or just keep it under a pick in the defending zone, then 469's alliance whoever that may be won't be able to score under much more effective circumstance than simply trying to outscore them or block their shots. However, to find a robot that can keep a robot like 469 pinned for an entire TWO matches is a heavy task to carry as a Curie alliance captain and even heavier to think of a robot that can play defense against two robots simultaneously so that there will be some kind of numerical advantage.This is why in my optimistic predictions I say that only three diverse robots with very strong defense and drives could forcibly outplay this alliance. The only way I could see this alliance of 469 and possibly 1114 losing is a whole lot of constant push battles keeping robots slow and balls out of the goal. It will not be a high scoring match like it the matches in MSC when Las Guerillas in some strange course of events find defeat.

[johnr]

I wish there was recording from 217's driver station during their defense against 469.(or maybe not) It was the most intense couple of matches i have ever seen and i was in the stands. I can't imagine what it was like behind the glass. First,your guessing which way the ball is going. Second, you have one ,maybe two of 469 parteners playing defense and cleaning up 469's misses. I am sure the conversation behind the glass was incredible.

[reversed_rocker]

I personally like Sammy's original prediction for newton. no bias of course

[Wayne TenBrink]

My limited prediction and some advice:

Curie - 1114, 469, and a striker to be named later.

Other divisions - Good alliances.

Everybody and his brother (or sister), having seen how close 67, 217, and 2612 came to solving 469 and winning MSC will do their best to follow the same basic approach. (I wouldn't try it myself, but we need to reach Einstein before we can test that theory)

Advice to 1114: If this is the case, you will probably spend a lot of time in the center zone trying to feed the loop, divert their ball supply, and slow down their primary scorer. You will have their #3 robot all over you every step of the way. This will happen all through Curie elimination rounds and even moreso when you get to Einstein (which I predict you will). Be sure to bring plenty of TFE coolant spray and some cooling fans. You will need them. You have a hard afternoon ahead of you.

Good luck to all teams. May your robots all hold together, and let the best teams win! It is a great honor to be part of this. See you all soon.

[Norman J]

Originally Posted by Wayne TenBrink

Advice to 1114: If this is the case, you will probably spend a lot of time in the center zone trying to feed the loop, divert their ball supply, and slow down their primary scorer. You will have their #3 robot all over you every step of the way. This will happen all through Curie elimination rounds and even moreso when you get to Einstein (which I predict you will). Be sure to bring plenty of TFE coolant spray and some cooling fans. You will need them. You have a hard afternoon ahead of you.

No offense, but this is 1114. They have probably thought of everything all the rest of us have, and more.

[Ken Streeter]

Originally Posted by sammyjalex

I've been tempted to post my outrageous predictions thanks to Barry's bold challenge. ... I'd love feedback.

Archimedes
25 254 103 SF
330 359 1218 QF
148 71 1612 QF
45 968 375 SF
118 176 1 QF
1918 1519 70 F
341 33 86 W
1124 234 358 QF

OK, I don't usually put much stock in these predictions, but I just happened to notice that sammyjalex's predicted our three-team alliance for on Archimedes! I wonder how often that happens?!?