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Unread 16-04-2010, 17:31
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Re: Curie 2010!

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That's not really true. 4v0 may be more accurate but 1114 certainly scored quite a few goals and moved quite a few balls up. It may have looked like they weren't doing anything sometimes because they were being careful not to block any of 469's shots. They would wait for a gap, the plow the misses into the goal.

The other 2 blue robots were blocking their goals to assure the 0 for the red alliance.

Mark, the Simbotics wasn't doing that just to put on a show. They likely felt that they going 6v0 and getting a guaranteed ~30 pts. was the better move to help them seed high versus taking the chance of playing the match out against 111 and 469 and risking a much lower score if they lost.

Note I am just speculating on the above, I have no inside knowledge of 1114 strategy.
While unless someone here can actually talk to 1114, we can only speculate, but I too agree that was more then likely their strategy.

It paid off, it defiantly put them higher up in the rankings, and while they did sacrifice their no loose score, sometimes to take it all you have to do something like that.
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Re: Curie 2010!

Karthik is know for understanding all the ramifications of strategy. Having the two robots defend the blue goals is key to keep the winning team from defecting from any agreements.
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Re: Curie 2010!

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32 scores intially, and a final score of 28!!!!! Amazing!!!! That for me was the match of the year.
Final score of 29 That's so insane. I wish I could have watched it (webcasts are giving me issues). Great job teams!
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Surprising, and gracious, that Simbotics was willing to give up their no-loss 55-0-2 season for this match...! WOW!!!
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Re: Curie 2010!

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Surprising, and gracious, that Simbotics was willing to give up their no-loss 55-0-2 season for this match...! WOW!!!
Curious, why do you say gracious? I have no problem with the strategy they employed, however, if you assume that the 1114 alliance likely would have lost even if they hadn't played 6v0* then what they did benefited them and "hurt" the 469/888/111 alliance, because each point that 1114 scored for their opponents was worth 1 point to everyone, while if they had scored for themselves it would have been worth 2 points to their opponents and 0 to themselves. So, if you say gracious implying that they were somehow helping out the 469/888/111 alliance, then I disagree. They were playing to maximize their own benefit, plain and simple (which, again, I have no problem with and would do the same thing in their shoes).

* I make the assumption that 1114 figured there was a reasonable chance they'd lose the match, because if they knew they could win then then they obviously would have played straight-up.
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Re: Curie 2010!

I think that we need word from 1114 as what their intent was, and when they decided to use this strategy.

By your post, Dave Flowery, I assume that the 6v0 was not decided ahead of time.
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Re: Curie 2010!

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Curious, why do you say gracious?
It was a poor choice of words, I admit. I was trying to convey what a big deal it would be, at least to me, to give up a 'perfect' record for the strategy gambit. Perhaps this is better stated as the perfect embodiment of why the new system is less than desirable: decide that you will probably have a hard time winning, even though you've had a 'perfect' record so far in 3.5 events, and instead of "going for it", admit defeat and go for the strategy. Totally the best strategy, just made me sad to see the game go that way :/ Sorry for the poor choice of words.
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I don't know, with all the attention on 1114 and 469 I have a feeling that someone is going to catch them by surprise. I don't know who or when, but it should be fun to watch as it plays out.
Good luck everyone
I guess that team is 2169 so far.
We'll get a clearer picture after today.
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I watched that match, and loved it! Your looper is just so beautiful in action, with the curve!
I know the trend is to talk about match 100, but I am back into the hotel now and want to say thanks to the above quote. This has turned into an awesome second year experience.

It's funny, the announcer today compared our looper to a lounge chair during one of the games (and called the wrong team name for our number but its stressful so I'll give him some slack. It's Prometheus. LOL) and after looking at our video this evening I thought it does look like a lounge chair when in looper mode. It gives me ideas for off season fund raisers. :-)

Anyway, we got to deploy the looper another couple of times today and its been real fun. Curie is shaping up to be an exciting division.

Now that the exclaiming of our team's elation and fun is over I will return to your regularly scheduled match 100 commentary and state that I pretty well walked out of match 100 as soon as I saw what 1114 was doing. I was looking forward to that match all day to see how the different bots played when against each other, and was disappointed to see teams playing the stupid coopertition aspect versus playing hard that match.

I can't blame 1114 because its obvious they are going for that 1st seed hard, but I do blame the GDC for coming up with a qualification system that rewards lawyering and shenanigans versus rewarding fun, competitive game play. It turned what should have been a super exciting match into a joke, and if nothing I hope this will be the last year of coopertition. You should qualify the same way you eliminate if you ask me.

Good luck to all in Curie.

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Re: Curie 2010!

I watched the match with the lawnchair (webcast, of course), and have been wanting to ask you guys since then:

How was the beer?
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I watched the match with the lawnchair (webcast, of course), and have been wanting to ask you guys since then:

How was the beer?
Oh if only there was beer. :-) It would make the competition a lot more interesting for sure. But seeing as its about high schoolers we have to stick to fizzy and fruit drinks. LOL

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Re: Curie 2010!

Just an ignorant Mom here, but could someone explain to me about match 110? Why did 1511 not get the 2 bonus points for a successful hang? At least from the web cast it looked high enough and in plenty of time. There was plenty of speculation about the red hang, but no discussion about 1511, so we thought it was a given, yet when final score was announced, no bonus for blue. ??
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Re: Curie 2010!

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I can't blame 1114 because its obvious they are going for that 1st seed hard, but I do blame the GDC for coming up with a qualification system that rewards lawyering and shenanigans versus rewarding fun, competitive game play.
These are the rules as set out by the GDC so I think your portrayal of 'lawyering' and 'shenanigans' are inaccurate. This happened in 2003 on a large scale so the GDC knew what was coming.

1114 is just playing the game in an intelligent way so you are right not to blame them. These actions are not shenanigans or lawyering, they are just the rules as they were explained to EVERYONE. Characterizing their game play as shenanigans is a shot at them, you know that. If you want to criticize the GDC go ahead, but don't bring 1114 into it.
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Re: Curie 2010!

Well, 1114 and 469 are together. Let's see how these strategies play out.
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Re: Curie 2010!

No shock to 1114 and 469. I am a little shocked about 2041. However they seem like a good 3rd partner.

I'm just glad we finnaly know who the 3rd parter is on the Alliance we have been discussing about for so long. I hope everyone down there or back home has a good lunch, and Lets hope for some amazing elimination rounds in Curie.
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