MARC 2010 IS OPEN

[johnr]

Now to add rules into this. Does anyone really care if a ball is stuck under or on a robot? That penalty could just go away. I would also think about the rule on possessing more then one ball. Just trying to make it easier on the refs.

[Jack Jones]

Originally Posted by Mr.G

I like this idea. We always have a much better event when the rankings aren't shown. It sucks how the teams that are doing good just get attacked the whole event just because they are ranked high.

My vote for no rankings being shown.

Anyone can keep track of the scores with a spreadsheet that's programed to rank teams. How does not telling them what they already know make for a better event?

Exactly. The ranking system already has the manipulation in it and we've already seen the 6v0's this year. I would like to see it stay the way it is and let the team that ranks 1st pick 1-8, 1-8, 1-8 as they have earned it. I personally don't like the "partners by rank" system.

It's not exactly like manipulation doesn't occur with the alliance selection process. How many times do we see a high seed select teams they know won't accept in order to keep them from accepting from someone else? How often do strong teams that have had weak alliances and seed low suddenly break out the tools and work on their robot in order to get picked by a high seed who's been informed that they're playing possum? How often do you hear of a team that needs a win to seed first telling one of their opponents in that critical match that they'll pick them in the second round? ... ?

I've come to enjoy seeing the strategies and tactics used to seed high. At IGVC next month, I will enjoy seeing the strategies and tactics used to seed in a particular position.

[Chris is me]

Originally Posted by Jack Jones

How often do you hear of a team that needs a win to seed first telling one of their opponents in that critical match that they'll pick them in the second round?

Never actually heard of that one... (Sounds pretty evil if you ask me)

Isn't the goal of a ranking system to manipulate your rank higher? What else are you supposed to do with it?

[johnr]

Two more things then i should go do something. One- keep rules the same as regular season but add a red soccer ball worth 5 points. Place it in center of field at start of match. You would need someone to keep track of it and if a certain team gets it into their loop-ouch. The other thing is to follow the regular season rules exactly because what if something great happens,say a double suspension. People wouldn't be able to shrug it off as just an off-season event. When 910 got a double hang in 07 that event followed regular season rules and it made it that more sweet.

[Jason Law]

Originally Posted by johnr

Two more things then i should go do something. One- keep rules the same as regular season but add a red soccer ball worth 5 points. Place it in center of field at start of match. You would need someone to keep track of it and if a certain team gets it into their loop-ouch. The other thing is to follow the regular season rules exactly because what if something great happens,say a double suspension. People wouldn't be able to shrug it off as just an off-season event. When 910 got a double hang in 07 that event followed regular season rules and it made it that more sweet.

A different point value soccer ball... Now that is amazing. I would definitely love to see that happen. Although maybe not 5 points? Because it would seem a little TOO important and may take away from the smaller scoring... (huge defense/hordes of robots in the midfield all fighting for the ball). Just a thought. But I would definitely like that idea.

Autonomous extra points maybe?

[nikeairmancurry]

Originally Posted by Jason Law

A different point value soccer ball... Now that is amazing. I would definitely love to see that happen. Although maybe not 5 points? Because it would seem a little TOO important and may take away from the smaller scoring... (huge defense/hordes of robots in the midfield all fighting for the ball). Just a thought. But I would definitely like that idea.

Autonomous extra points maybe?

Autonomous extra points would be nice... We should reward those teams who put a lot of time into autonomous like in 08! Still I suggust that the rankings are done on a win-lose system.. And ranking points second... If you want to see play for the win, then thats the way to go... 6v0 will be gone.

[Jack Jones]

I'd like to see extra points for hanging up side down and backwards, and or an air time bonus when traversing a bump at full speed, or a penetration award for going deep into the goal.

Steve - Will you be publishing a manual? I can hardly wait to see Update #'s 4, 5, and 6.

[Chris is me]

Originally Posted by nikeairmancurry

Autonomous extra points would be nice... We should reward those teams who put a lot of time into autonomous like in 08!

I really don't get why people don't think having a good autonomous wasn't important this year. In my mind, it was second to ball possession. Maybe it's not clearly spelled out with bonus points but autonomous advantage is important

[GaryVoshol]

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[Steve Ketron]

Originally Posted by GaryVoshol

Please continue rule change suggestions here: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=85719

Gary excellent guidelines for making rule changes. To all that would like to recommend changes, please refer to Gary's posting for you inputs to be considered. For I have given him (HEAD REF) the responsibility for making any changes to the game rules.

As far as the alliance selections, I am tacking responsibility for this so please make your suggestions on this post.

[BX MARK]

I think wating untill the elims to announce the top 8 seeds is a great idea!

[MrFixIt2719]

i totally agree with showing the top ten teams but not putting them at there ranked spot until after qaulification rounds and i think it would be cool to award hanging teams more points because not many teams do it and it would be like in 07 and 08 when in 07 if you could up someones ramps or elevated 12 inches you got thirty points and in 08 if you placed a ball at the end you got 12 points and even in 09 with the super cells it took some skill to be able to run an empty cell to an end zone to get the super cell in the last twenty then get it in a trailer and thats why they awarded it with 15 bonus points so i say there should be extra points for hanging robots

[BX MARK]

since hardly any one can do it...what if getting your robot on the platform was worth like 5 or 6 points? just a thought...

[Jack Jones]

Originally Posted by BX MARK

since hardly any one can do it...what if getting your robot on the platform was worth like 5 or 6 points? just a thought...

Why should anyone who optimized their robot to play under one set of scoring rules want to come to an event where others were given an advantage for not doing likewise?

[BX MARK]

Originally Posted by Jack Jones

Why should anyone who optimized their robot to play under one set of scoring rules want to come to an event where others were given an advantage for not doing likewise?

you could say the same thing twards rasing the points for hanging, or any rule change for that matter...i just thought it would be kinda cool to have more people try it....