Can I Make Something Clear?

[Chris is me]

So on one hand, you're trying to tell programmers to be realistic about their skill sets and what they can accomplish, but in te same breath you're saying that as a student with a few years of programming experience, you can achieve what computer scientists work on for years in a 6 week build window?

I really don't like killing childhood dreams or anything like that, but let's take this year's game as an example. I'll even let you pretend you have 1114's robot so you have as much technical capability as possible. Take an empty field. There are 3 balls on it. Which one should the robot drive toward? How accurately can you get the ball's position? What if it rolls away out of camera view? Now add other robots, how do you pick the ball that is least likely to be knocked away by a defender? How do you account for the slipping of drive wheels and being pushed sideways, accurately enough that you're not at an insurmountable disadvantage to anyone with eyes?

It's an enormous task, and while taking enormous challenges is a load of fun, are you really going to suck up your team's resources, time, and effort for your own personal goal? Perhaps if you're interested in AI, you can start simpler and scale up. Making a simple 2v2 grid and turn based game of Breakaway that you could work on AI algorithms for would be very interesting, still extremely hard, and isolated from your team's on field performance. If you like sensor work, there's still autonomous mode, or you could automate portions of teleoperated play like hanging.

[davidthefat]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

So on one hand, you're trying to tell programmers to be realistic about their skill sets and what they can accomplish, but in te same breath you're saying that as a student with a few years of programming experience, you can achieve what computer scientists work on for years in a 6 week build window?

I really don't like killing childhood dreams or anything like that, but let's take this year's game as an example. I'll even let you pretend you have 1114's robot so you have as much technical capability as possible. Take an empty field. There are 3 balls on it. Which one should the robot drive toward? How accurately can you get the ball's position? What if it rolls away out of camera view? Now add other robots, how do you pick the ball that is least likely to be knocked away by a defender? How do you account for the slipping of drive wheels and being pushed sideways, accurately enough that you're not at an insurmountable disadvantage to anyone with eyes?

It's an enormous task, and while taking enormous challenges is a load of fun, are you really going to suck up your team's resources, time, and effort for your own personal goal?

Never said 6 weeks, I am working on it right now. I kinda see what you mean, but honestly if you don't even know how to use pointers, how do you expect to do this? But the professionals have a different goal, I am not trying to argue, just stating my opinions

[Andrew Schreiber]

Originally Posted by davidthefat

Never said 6 weeks, I am working on it right now. I kinda see what you mean, but honestly if you don't even know how to use pointers, how do you expect to do this? But the professionals have a different goal, I am not trying to argue, just stating my opinions

So, let me get this straight, you are trying to write an AI that can solve any problem? As someone who HAS written AI systems I can safely say you clearly know nothing. If you are interested in learning I would suggest you look into writing a simple program to solve an 8 piece puzzle in a reasonable time (ie, faster than a person can do it). When you do that I have another "trivial" problem for you to solve.

[davidthefat]

Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber

So, let me get this straight, you are trying to write an AI that can solve any problem? As someone who HAS written AI systems I can safely say you clearly know nothing. If you are interested in learning I would suggest you look into writing a simple program to solve an 8 piece puzzle in a reasonable time (ie, faster than a person can do it). When you do that I have another "trivial" problem for you to solve.

No not any, I am a football player, so the most obvious thing for me was having a "playbook" of strategies

[548swimmer]

Originally Posted by davidthefat

No not any, I am a football player, so the most obvious thing for me was having a "playbook" of strategies

Wouldn't you then have to touch the joystick to tell it what to do? Or might that be an alternative option to explore?

[davidthefat]

Originally Posted by 548swimmer

Wouldn't you then have to touch the joystick to tell it what to do? Or might that be an alternative option to explore?

No, I was thinking more like before the match, either have a switch board that has all these options that give the robot "moods" like aggressive, passive and what ever then just go into the match and just let it run. Or do that softwarely and have a config file

[sgreco]

Originally Posted by davidthefat

No, I was thinking more like before the match, either have a switch board that has all these options that give the robot "moods" like aggressive, passive and what ever then just go into the match and just let it run. Or do that softwarely and have a config file

I don't know if you've ever been in the heat of elims, but you don't have time to download code. So this would only work in qualifications.

If you were around in 2008 hybrid mode sort of accomplished what you're talking about.

[davidthefat]

Originally Posted by sgreco

I don't know if you've ever been in the heat of elims, but you don't have time to download code. So this would only work in qualifications.

If you were around in 2008 hybrid mode sort of accomplished what you're talking about.

The thing is not uploading code, easy as just taking out an SD card and replacing with another one with different config

[548swimmer]

Originally Posted by davidthefat

The thing is not uploading code, easy as just taking out an SD card and replacing with another one with different config

I know this year our robot's autonomous was controllable by different switches on the robot. Different combinations selected one of about eight different programs. This might be simpler than swapping out a card.

[Rion Atkinson]

Originally Posted by 548swimmer

I know this year our robot's autonomous was controllable by different switches on the robot. Different combinations selected one of about eight different programs. This might be simpler than swapping out a card.

Hows is flipping semi complex switches harder than inserting a labeled card?

[548swimmer]

Originally Posted by Formerly Famous

Hows is flipping semi complex switches harder than inserting a labeled card?

Simpler may have been the wrong word. You're certainly less likely to lose switches bolted onto your electrical board than a labeled card.

[AmoryG]

You could always use the digital/analog inputs on the driver station. They work just fine.