pic: My First WCD

[Stephi Rae]

I'll try to answer most of your questions here.

I apologize I got the terminology a little mixed up.

Dave is correct, this is not a sheet metal drive, it is 1/8" 3x1 C channel. It is a little difficult to see in the picture, I apologize. If I have some time later, maybe I'll render a few other perspectives and post them.

It is all C channel. The idea I took was to make things easy to manufacture and easy to get to. All four side rails are completely identical. Front and back are identical as well.


Everything except the outermost side rails would be welded together, and the outermost rails are bolted on via standoffs and brackets at the ends/corners. This would make the outer rails easy to take off and maintain the drive, if necessary. If weight became a concern, these would be replaced with polycarb, as many teams have done previously.

The outer rail channel has cutouts around each of the wheels.

Inventor says the frame is around 10 lbs. Like I mentioned before, there are things that could easily be changed if weight became a concern.

As far as the trussing and cutouts go, there is at least 1/4" material between every cutout, often more.

The wheels are 50 durometer Banebots wheels with the unfinished hubs. There are custom hubs that interface with the wheels after they have been modified to have a larger hole. Outer wheels are dead axle, center are keyed.

There are vertical slots in the side rails that hold a chain tensioner.

I'm not really sure what you're asking 548swimmer, but the wheels are all inline with each other and the center wheel is exactly in the center of the robot.

If I missed a question, or if you have more, feel free to bring it up again, or ask.

[Edoc'sil]

If all your wheels are in line with each other you will not be able to turn. you need to lower the middle wheel so there are never more then 4 wheels on the ground at a time.

[Stephi Rae]

By inline I was trying to address the question that swimmer posed, but I'm not really sure what he was getting at. If you'll notice in the description of the picture, the center wheel is dropped 1/8".

[Edoc'sil]

Sorry I assumed that was what he was referring to. I did read you OP but is was a few days ago and I totally forgot. I have no idea what swimmer meant, he is hard to follow at best.

[R.C.]

Really Cool Chassis and a great start.

A Few Suggestions:

-Ever thought about riveting it all together and then adding a few welds? It would help make it easier to assemble and easier for our welder. We did that this year with our bottom part of our chassis.

-I would honestly pocket less. Its often way stronger to leave it unpocketed. I mean your only losing so much weight. Around the wheels and gearbox I would honestly unpocket it.

-Also wheels selection, why banebot wheels. We bought some a few years ago and the tread seems to wear very easily unless you get a high durometer. They are cheap, but I would switch to pneumatic wheels or Colsons. I'm sure Sean (1771) or someone can elaborate on Colson wheels.

A Few Questions:

-What gearbox is that: ratio, output speed and weight?

-Are you planning to mount electronics somewhere?

-For the chain tensioner, are you pinching the chain down or stretching it up?

Good Job and keep having fun.

-RC

[artdutra04]

Originally Posted by R.C.

-Also wheels selection, why banebot wheels. We bought some a few years ago and the tread seems to wear very easily unless you get a high durometer. They are cheap, but I would switch to pneumatic wheels or Colsons. I'm sure Sean (1771) or someone can elaborate on Colson wheels.

Colson wheels are very cheap (usually between $5 and $7 each), and can easily be adapted for a live axle drivetrain. The stock Colson wheels usually have a large ID shaft hole in the center that needs to have an adapter made to fit 1/2" or 3/8" shaft. We use 6061 aluminum for this adapter plug. Simply turn it on a lathe to a slight interference fit, and knurl the outside. Drill out the center and broach with either a keyway or hex broach. Use an arbor press to insert knurled plug into wheel. Done.

[sdcantrell56]

I would definitely recommend colsons as well. We did the same thing as art this year. Bought stock colsons and put hubs in them. They work great and are designed for durability whereas the banebot wheels are basically childs toys. I've seen and heard of way too many failures/manufacturing inconsistencies with the banebots to ever consider them.

[548swimmer]

Originally Posted by Stephi Rae

I'm not really sure what you're asking 548swimmer, but the wheels are all inline with each other and the center wheel is exactly in the center of the robot.

With the holes on the side plate, it looks like you have two holes to press-fit bearings for the center wheels into. This led me to believe that your center wheels were not on the same line in the center of the 'bot. Also, from this render it looks they don't quite line up (again with the two bearing holes). I trust you that they are in the center, but it was just a concern I had at the time.

[Brandon Holley]

Originally Posted by sdcantrell56

I would definitely recommend colsons as well. We did the same thing as art this year. Bought stock colsons and put hubs in them. They work great and are designed for durability whereas the banebot wheels are basically childs toys. I've seen and heard of way too many failures/manufacturing inconsistencies with the banebots to ever consider them.

Ditto on the Colsons, they are very robust wheels, and have a great grip on the carpet. However they do become pretty heavy when you start adding in the additional parts needed (ie: plug adapter for each wheel). Just another thing to consider in wheel selection.

-Brando

[Chris is me]

I've never seen Banebots wheels used successfully in a robot. I've heard of teams getting them with the bore off center by as much as half an inch. I've seen teams make them fail with only 3 seconds of load. I would go with AM, Colsons, your own wheels, etc. (or if you want to be super cool, take a scooter wheel and put it on your robot!!! no traction but who cares, they're awesome!)