Anyone You Know Did The YESS Program?

[Chris is me]

YESS essentially exists at a lot of different universities. A three week program where you take an intensive class for credit / get a "pre college" experience is at a lot of places. I would recommend you look into more than just Caltech's program.

In particular, the YESS program is targeted toward "high school sophomores or juniors who are traditionally underrepresented in science and engineering fields (Native Americans, Latinos, and African-Americans)". If I recall correctly you're not a 'traditionally underrepresented' type of person so you will have a lot more trouble getting in. My junior year, I applied to the program and didn't get in with a few very kind recommendation letters and great grades and awards over my high school career.

However, I had no trouble getting into numerous other programs at different universities that didn't have this focus. Then again, I had no trouble getting a recommendation from my teachers and had achieved great success academically. It sounds like you have a bit of trouble with both, so I would seriously consider whether or not whatever program you look at is designed for you / of benefit to you (most are designed to be engaging to "gifted / talented" students in order to contrast with normal school, though once you get to high school they broaden quite a bit).

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I do have to take a sidebar and point out something. If none of my teachers would be willing to give me a letter of recommendation, I would take that as a huge wake up call. Many teachers are willing to write letters for most of their students, even if they aren't able to write something particularly complimentary. That not one of your teachers felt comfortable recommending you to an academic program really should be a huge red flag in regards to your academic performance, classroom attitude, and schoolwork as a whole.

[davidthefat]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

YESS essentially exists at a lot of different universities. A three week program where you take an intensive class for credit / get a "pre college" experience is at a lot of places. I would recommend you look into more than just Caltech's program.

In particular, the YESS program is targeted toward "high school sophomores or juniors who are traditionally underrepresented in science and engineering fields (Native Americans, Latinos, and African-Americans)". If I recall correctly you're not a 'traditionally underrepresented' type of person so you will have a lot more trouble getting in. My junior year, I applied to the program and didn't get in with a few very kind recommendation letters and great grades and awards over my high school career.

However, I had no trouble getting into numerous other programs at different universities that didn't have this focus. Then again, I had no trouble getting a recommendation from my teachers and had achieved great success academically. It sounds like you have a bit of trouble with both, so I would seriously consider whether or not whatever program you look at is designed for you / of benefit to you (most are designed to be engaging to "gifted / talented" students in order to contrast with normal school, though once you get to high school they broaden quite a bit).

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I do have to take a sidebar and point out something. If none of my teachers would be willing to give me a letter of recommendation, I would take that as a huge wake up call. Many teachers are willing to write letters for most of their students, even if they aren't able to write something particularly complimentary. That not one of your teachers felt comfortable recommending you to an academic program really should be a huge red flag in regards to your academic performance, classroom attitude, and schoolwork as a whole.

Oh yea, gifted and talented program... I got kicked out of it right before entering highschool since I was a terrible student in middle school. Well the application said that they would not discriminate or anything based on race. I didn't do so well in school, only got B's by not studying and wasn't very consistent with homework. I would call B's mediocre grades. Well I am changing that this year. I am ready to get A's...

Well Caltech is also the closest non junior college to my house.

[Joe Ross]

Originally Posted by davidthefat

Oh yea, gifted and talented program... I got kicked out of it right before entering highschool since I was a terrible student in middle school. Well the application said that they would not discriminate or anything based on race. I didn't do so well in school, only got B's by not studying and wasn't very consistent with homework. I would call B's mediocre grades. Well I am changing that this year. I am ready to get A's...

Well Caltech is also the closest non junior college to my house.

From http://www.yess.caltech.edu/about.html

The Young Engineering and Science Scholars (YESS) program at Caltech is a three-week summer residential program for exceptional underrepresented high school students and others who feel they would benefit from the program.

(emphasis added)

From http://www.yess.caltech.edu/admissions.html

Outstanding high school sophomores or juniors who are traditionally underrepresented in science and engineering fields (Native Americans, Latinos, and African-Americans) and others who believe they would benefit from this program are encouraged to apply to the program. We accept and review applications from all applicants.

(emphasis added).

Talk to your teachers that did not recommend you and ask what it would take for you to do the first semester to prove you are worth recommending. Then do those things. It may be harder then just getting a few A's.

[davidthefat]

Originally Posted by Joe Ross

From http://www.yess.caltech.edu/about.html

(emphasis added)

From http://www.yess.caltech.edu/admissions.html

(emphasis added).

Talk to your teachers that did not recommend you and ask what it would take for you to do the first semester to prove you are worth recommending. Then do those things. It may be harder then just getting a few A's.

Thats the application: Note No information will be used discriminatory manner...

I know exactly my problem was, I was not showing effort; I was doing great on tests but my class work and or my homework showed piss poor effort. I was going to minimum too, I should go above and beyond this year

[Chris is me]

Originally Posted by davidthefat

Thats the application: Note No information will be used discriminatory manner...

That means they won't say "oh he did really good for his / her race let's let them in", but considering the aim of the program is specifically for underrepresented groups of people and my personal experience and inquiries, you probably won't get in.

I know exactly my problem was, I was not showing effort; I was doing great on tests but my class work and or my homework showed piss poor effort. I was going to minimum too, I should go above and beyond this year

Even if that was the case I bet at least one teacher would be willing to write a letter saying "he's really great but didn't live up to his potential" or whatever. Do you have any problems with attitude or participation in addition to this stuff?

[davidthefat]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

That means they won't say "oh he did really good for his / her race let's let them in", but considering the aim of the program is specifically for underrepresented groups of people and my personal experience and inquiries, you probably won't get in.



Even if that was the case I bet at least one teacher would be willing to write a letter saying "he's really great but didn't live up to his potential" or whatever. Do you have any problems with attitude or participation in addition to this stuff?

Honestly with the attitude; I was a quiet kid, possibly to the point I was lacking participation. Now should I speak up more? In any debates though, I am very opinionated and just let loose. Honestly I have been getting that same response ever since I came to the US, "You are a very smart kid, you just don't show it" Or "You don't put enough effort into it" Thats my Achilles heel, I always try to get by with my knowledge. That is why this year I made an oath to put forth effort and actually study before taking tests and not just wing it like I did previously. I am sure this year it won't be hard to get recommendations. I just got to kiss up now


edit: now before HS, I was the loud kid, I talked wa too much and my citizen ship grade showed it, thats why I changed to be serious in class and just listen...

[JamesCH95]

Check out the CTD program at Northwestern University, it is pretty awesome.

I took a class that I knew nothing about at CTD (AP Java Programming) and suddenly I learned how to study and teach myself something I knew nothing about. Take a class totally out of your comfort zone because that's what is going to happen in college.

Good luck turning your school work around, it will be a challenge.

[davidthefat]

Originally Posted by JamesCH95

Check out the CTD program at Northwestern University, it is pretty awesome.

I took a class that I knew nothing about at CTD (AP Java Programming) and suddenly I learned how to study and teach myself something I knew nothing about. Take a class totally out of your comfort zone because that's what is going to happen in college.

Good luck turning your school work around, it will be a challenge.

Wait wait wait... I googled it and it says I can do Calculus in 3 weeks? and get credit for it? Now my school only offers AP Calc AB and BC (what ever the lettering is) so Will I get that credit for the summer program? Java is not what I want to do; I just know too much of programming than the program offers. Too bad its not in California though, I will look for similar program at USC or UCLA or something, may be even Occidental

[Chris is me]

Calculus in three weeks is probably one of the hardest courses CTD offers. AP courses at CTD that aren't Computer Science are absolute nightmares if you don't have the discipline to study constantly, moreso than other courses there. However, I know from experience that CTD is an outstanding program with great classes for those who qualify.

[JamesCH95]

Originally Posted by davidthefat

Wait wait wait... I googled it and it says I can do Calculus in 3 weeks? and get credit for it? Now my school only offers AP Calc AB and BC (what ever the lettering is) so Will I get that credit for the summer program? Java is not what I want to do; I just know too much of programming than the program offers. Too bad its not in California though, I will look for similar program at USC or UCLA or something, may be even Occidental

Why not travel a little bit and experience something new? I promise that it probably won't kill you.

[davidthefat]

So um... not a good start to my Junior Year; I got a D on my Pre Calculus test (which was really all review), and a C in my AP Physics test (I didn't even try the FR, since I was being a dummy) But APUSH, I did fine, a B on the test and quiet satisfied, but I need As. So any advice? First of all, actually studying; I never really studied in my life -_-. Any advice on studying? I get the concepts just like that (the only reason for low grade on my tests were the formulas; I forgot some) For some reason I always had trouble with formulas, everything else is easy. The concepts are easy (which explains how I did well on the APUSH test), now how do I supplement my memory to memorize those formulas? I know AP Physics is heavy on formulas, so that can be the difference from an A or an F for me.

[mini rant]
Who in the world cares about Point Slope form vs General form vs Y intercept form? So useless IMHO. Just use one formula, you get the same results... I got such a low score on the Precalc test because I forgot which forms were which...
[/mini rant]


Personally I don't ask for help; it is just not me. The fact that I am admitting my studying habits are messed up must mean I am serious. First of all, I need to get off the computer.

[RoboDesigners]

I this is off topic, but as far as some studying ideas...

• Take notes in class: normally the teacher tests on what they think is important, and that's what they will talk about in class
• Copy your class notes onto other paper neatly (sooner the better)
• Make flashcards
• Knowing the concepts is critical: if you can derive the formulas then you don't have to memorize so many formuals!
• Take notes while reading.
• Ask your teachers for more explanation if you don't completely understand a concept

This is what I do, and since it was mentioned, I thought I'd share...

[Basel A]

Now I'm no older than you are, taking pretty similar classes, so really, I don't have much room to talk. But honestly I'm kinda in the same boat. This is the first time in my life I've been legitimately challenged in all my classes.

But two weeks into junior year, I think the biggest thing is losing the distractions. Computers, TV, internet, they kill productivity. Just by cutting myself off during studying/homework time has allowed to survive loads that are literally double or triple what I had last year.

As for formulas, I totally sympathise. It absolutely seems pointless. The only real aid is that in certain cases, it is somewhat simpler to use one form over another.

As for remembering formulas, only two things have really worked for me: flashcards and tons of practice. Personally, just by using formulas so many times it'll ingrain, I don't know if you're the same way but it seems like it makes sense.

Edit: Final thing, if you know what the teacher will be lecturing on, read that section of the book before class, and use class to make sure you understand, not learning for the first time.

Anyway, best of luck. I'm sure the above is what almost everyone says, but hey, additional advice can't hurt.