CRio and Jag Discount Purchase Yet?

[Sunshine]

I don't want to sabotage the thread BUT ..........

I'm proud of the fact that I teach my students ethics and core values. We never take a win at all costs approach. They learn to like the "man in the mirror".

That being said, help me with the rules. For the fist time, our team has entered the world of CNC programming. Our off season centered around learning the machine and program. We got as far as creating geometry to make our own gear boxes on our cnc mill. We were inspired by AndyMark and their new Toughbox Nano Tube when we saw it at IRI.

Reading the rules, it sounds like we can not use any of the program we created. Do you agree? That'll be sad but we'll live with it. Because we were teaching ourselves, we invested about 60 hours of work. At least the second time will be shorter.

Ideas? Suggestions?

[EricVanWyk]

Originally Posted by Sunshine

I don't want to sabotage the thread BUT ..........

I'm proud of the fact that I teach my students ethics and core values. We never take a win at all costs approach. They learn to like the "man in the mirror".

That being said, help me with the rules. For the fist time, our team has entered the world of CNC programming. Our off season centered around learning the machine and program. We got as far as creating geometry to make our own gear boxes on our cnc mill. We were inspired by AndyMark and their new Toughbox Nano Tube when we saw it at IRI.

Reading the rules, it sounds like we can not use any of the program we created. Do you agree? That'll be sad but we'll live with it. Because we were teaching ourselves, we invested about 60 hours of work. At least the second time will be shorter.

Ideas? Suggestions?

I would have never thought that using a design you created before kickoff was illegal, because I always thought it was the actual parts. A lot of teams re-build the same e.g. chassis each year, which is equivalent in my mind.

I'd be surprised if the GDC would say that it is illegal, but now that you bring it up I'd be interested in hearing others' thoughts.

[Ether]

Originally Posted by Sunshine

Reading the rules, it sounds like we can not use any of the program we created. Do you agree?

Ideas? Suggestions?

Have you posted this question to the GDC Q&A forum ? That's where you could get an official definitive answer. Although they might not be responding until Kickoff.

[BornaE]

Originally Posted by Sunshine

I don't want to sabotage the thread BUT ..........

I'm proud of the fact that I teach my students ethics and core values. We never take a win at all costs approach. They learn to like the "man in the mirror".

That being said, help me with the rules. For the fist time, our team has entered the world of CNC programming. Our off season centered around learning the machine and program. We got as far as creating geometry to make our own gear boxes on our cnc mill. We were inspired by AndyMark and their new Toughbox Nano Tube when we saw it at IRI.

Reading the rules, it sounds like we can not use any of the program we created. Do you agree? That'll be sad but we'll live with it. Because we were teaching ourselves, we invested about 60 hours of work. At least the second time will be shorter.

Ideas? Suggestions?

Per the rules,
You may not reuse the program or a design that you have produced in off season directly. You may however use that design as a reference to create and new design and program to create the part that will go on the robot.

If the design is available publicly(toughBox nanos) you may use the design directly, but you have to reprogram the CNC during the new season.

This has been the implemented ruling in 2007-2010 that I am aware of and I highly doubt that it will change.

Regards,
Borna

[Chris is me]

Everyone is wrong!

The correct answer is "we don't know". The 2011 rules have not been released yet.

[Bob Steele]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

Everyone is wrong!

The correct answer is "we don't know". The 2011 rules have not been released yet.

I certainly appreciate this answer... HOWEVER... it is not quite as simple as that...
How can the rules that are posted on January 8th 2011 be used for actions that would take place before January 8th? (ie purchasing a cRio on January 1st or using the Discount to purchase extra Jaguars pre-season)

We can only look to the rules as they were used in the past. I guess you can say that we are taking a risk that they will come up with some new rule that precludes these purchases but I believe that this would be incredibly short sighted by the GDC and they are not short sighted.

The Kit of Parts has been released (at least part of it...) It includes these items... so we don't have to worry that they won't be allowed.

I believe that if the GDC were going to make a change of this sort that they would have warned us.
I believe it is fairly safe to assume that for these types of parts that purchasing in advance would be fine.

As far as the other issues of design and parts use... (not these items) That is a matter for further discussion...

[Sunshine]

I believe that this is an interesting dilemma that I am sure others have pondered before. I'm going to repost the question in a new thread to get viewpoints from others.

As far as asking in G&A. I think I'll wait awhile. I'd like to hear from my peers first. Frankly, I already think I know what is right for us to do. But it makes for interesting conversation. Don't ya' think? Feel free to look and follow the new post if interested.

[Trying to Help]

For those of you who plan on ordering a new cRio this year, you can check the status of your order at:

www.ni.com/status

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