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Re: Registration 2011

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See you there
I've known Mark for many years now (through FIRST) and he's the FIRST (pun intended) person I look forward to seeing at the regionals or nationals. He is a very very interesting person to talk to and scary smart. He is the go-to guy when you're in a panic. Everyone, including FIRST staff goes to him at events when they're stuck on many areas especially progamming. So don't let his humble demeanor trick you.

Now, on a more mundane note, we're still wait listed this year on NYC and the nationals. When we last spoke you intimated that NYC might be notifying waitlistees soon. Any idea if that is going to happen?
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Re: Registration 2011

Thanks for the kind words Kevin and the rest of you.

The best bet for NYC is to talk to someone at FIRST and maybe the Regional Director Ana Martinez in NYC to see what may be happening.

NYC let one team off it's waitlist this past Thursday, but there's no telling where they've drawn the line or how many other teams are on their waitlist.
It looks like there might be up to two more NYC teams that normally attend, but don't show up on the event list (yet).
Complicating matters are some NYC teams that could not get into their traditional LI Regional this year. I imagine across the board FIRST will eventually ask waitlist teams if they can move to open slots at other area events.

They have plenty of room in the Javits Center, but looking back at their match turn-around last year they ran late by about an hour and a half each day of the Qualifiers/Finals, and they still only got in 8 matches rather than the average 10 most other events managed. That might mean FIRST will be leery of adding too many more teams.

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Michigan has been adding teams today filling out more of Waterford and Niles, plus four other teams in Livonia and Troy.
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Re: Registration 2011

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Impressive amount of money! Makes me wonder how much is spent on FIRST fields and how much more money regionals have to raise.
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Here are the registration fees teams have/will pay so far:
  • Initial fee (vet): 1657 teams @ $5,000 = $8,285,000
  • Initial fee (newish): 423 teams @ $6,500 = $2,749,500
  • 2nd+ events: 482 event slots @ $4,000 = $1,928,000
  • MI 3rd events: 6 teams @ $500 = $3,000
  • Championship: 140 teams @ $5,000 = $700,000
Total FRC registration fees = $13,665,500
For a really rough WAG at the cost of the non-Michigan regionals, let's try this.
~50 events x ~$200,000/event = $10M.
Plus Michigan.

If the actual average cost is higher or lower you can do the math.

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Re: Registration 2011

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For a really rough WAG at the cost of the non-Michigan regionals, let's try this.
~50 events x ~$200,000/event = $10M.
Plus Michigan.

If the actual average cost is higher or lower you can do the math.

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Blake,

Isn't this based on an assumption that regional registration fees actually go to the regionals? Last time I checked the registration fees went to program costs and the KOP. Regionals traditionally don't see any of that money and are reliant on their own local fundraising.
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Re: Registration 2011

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Blake,

Isn't this based on an assumption that regional registration fees actually go to the regionals? Last time I checked the registration fees went to program costs and the KOP. Regionals traditionally don't see any of that money and are reliant on their own local fundraising.
Understood

I wasn't trying to give a complete answer. I just wanted to offer a useful but very rough figure for the costs of the regionals. That seemed reasonable in a thread about team registrations. A complete answer would definitely also be a complicated answer.

There is some useful info about FIRST income/expenses in the thread that constains this post. http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...90&postcount=5 There is also some grumpiness there (the switch from Vex to Tetrix parts was happening at roughly the samel time).

But, back to the central topic, let's not drive this thread into the ditch with side discussions about the the implications of the statistics Mark is reporting here (and "Yes", I realize I'm guilty). Just seeing the stats is interesting enough on its own. I recommend reading and then adding to existing/previous threads if you want to do discuss those implications.

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Re: Registration 2011

It looks as though the time afforded FIRST finance by the holiday schedule has allowed them to work thorugh some of the delays created by the lateness of NASA grants amoung other late developing funds. Several more waitlisted teams are now registered for events.

Case in point, the Alamo event is now up to the maximum 64 team size with Michigan, Georgia, Arkansas and Mexico sending the half-dozen out of state teams to the event.

Still seems to be some issues to work through or resolve in regards to the status/size of the Dallas event but it is now sitting at 49 registered teams.

Lonestar appears to still have room with 57 teams registered in a venue that has room for up to 64 teams in the spacious George R. Brown Convention Center. I recall that event being a 63 team event last year.
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Re: Registration 2011

Today Bill listed the events that still have room. http://frcdirector.blogspot.com/
Really surprised to see some of the these events on the list (even if they only have a slot or two.)
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Re: Registration 2011

Taking Bill's list here's a guesstimate of how many slots are available at each of the events he mentioned. These numbers are based on a combination of last year's capacities, interpolation, and your basic guesswork. No direct knowledge of Regional attendance policies is implied.

20 - Bayou
20 - Duluth
12 - Oklahoma
11 - Wisconsin
11 - Seattle
9 -- Kansas City
9 -- Hawaii
9 -- Toronto
9 -- Las Vegas
7 -- Lone Star
7 -- Peachtree
6 -- Utah
6 -- Fingerlakes
5 -- Arizona
5 -- Palmetto
5 -- Buckeye
4 -- Oregon
4 -- Midwest
4 -- Washington DC
4 -- New Jersey
4 -- Silicon Valley
4 -- Connecticut
3 -- North Carolina
3 -- Colorado
1 -- Florida
1 -- Boston
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Mark, do you know the average size of a first year regional?
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Re: Registration 2011

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Mark, do you know the average size of a first year regional?
Small sample size...
With so few, it's all over the place depending on the size of the venue they were able to get.
Not counting existing events that became double events this year, I guess it's an average of 52 teams each. Last year it was only 35 teams per new regional.



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Re: Registration 2011

In lieu of pondering game hints...
Here are the average number of events that teams hailing from different places are signed up to attend as of New Year's.
Delaware's two teams come out on top by attending 5 events between them.
This includes Championship (less ~200 teams that will add-in after winning), but is missing the Michigan State event of course.

All MI 3rd event registrations have also been backed out. All but a single team has 2 MI events, but 7 MI teams are playing at one or more outside Regionals in addition.

Avg # ---- # ------- #
Events - Teams - Events - Place

2.50 ------- 2 ----- 5 ----- DE
2.11 ----- 171 -- 360 ----- MI
2.00 ------- 3 ----- 6 ----- IA
2.00 ------- 1 ----- 2 ----- Chile
1.69 ------ 48 ---- 81 ----- PA
1.66 ------ 32 ---- 53 ----- NH
1.60 ------- 5 ----- 8 ----- RI
1.60 ------- 5 ----- 8 ----- WV
1.57 ------ 42 ---- 66 ----- CT
1.57 ------ 35 ---- 55 ----- IN
1.57 ------ 65 --- 102 ----- Canada-ON
1.56 ------ 32 ---- 50 ----- WI
1.56 ------ 34 ---- 53 ----- MD
1.52 ----- 175 --- 266 ----- CA
1.50 ------ 64 ---- 96 ----- NJ
1.50 ------- 4 ----- 6 ----- AR
1.44 ------ 43 ---- 62 ----- IL
1.44 ------ 25 ---- 36 ----- SC
1.40 ------- 5 ----- 7 ----- Brazil
1.36 ----- 127 --- 173 ----- NY
1.35 ------ 48 ---- 65 ----- OH
1.34 ------ 53 ---- 71 ----- MA
1.33 ------ 60 ---- 80 ----- FL
1.31 ------ 52 ---- 68 ----- MO
1.29 ------ 68 ---- 88 ----- VA
1.28 ------ 36 ---- 46 ----- NC
1.27 ------ 11 ---- 14 ----- NV
1.26 ------ 35 ---- 44 ----- OR
1.25 ------ 40 ---- 50 ----- AZ
1.25 ------- 8 ---- 10 ----- ME
1.25 ------- 4 ----- 5 ----- Turkey
1.23 ------ 26 ---- 32 ----- HI
1.21 ------ 14 ---- 17 ----- DC
1.18 ------ 82 ---- 97 ----- WA
1.18 ------ 11 ---- 13 ----- AL
1.17 ------- 6 ----- 7 ----- MT
1.16 ----- 145 --- 168 ----- TX
1.16 ------ 38 ---- 44 ----- GA
1.16 ------ 19 ---- 22 ----- KS
1.13 ----- 130 --- 147 ----- MN
1.13 ------ 48 ---- 54 ----- OK
1.11 ------ 35 ---- 39 ----- CO
1.09 ------ 11 ---- 12 ----- MS
1.08 ------ 24 ---- 26 ----- LA
1.08 ------ 13 ---- 14 ----- ID
1.07 ------ 14 ---- 15 ----- KY
1.06 ------ 16 ---- 17 ----- TN
1.06 ------ 18 ---- 19 ----- UT
1.02 ------ 49 ---- 50 ----- Israel
1.00 ------ 14 ---- 14 ----- Canada-QC
1.00 ------ 12 ---- 12 ----- Mexico
1.00 ------- 3 ----- 3 ----- ND
1.00 ------- 3 ----- 3 ----- VT
1.00 ------- 3 ----- 3 ----- WY
1.00 ------- 2 ----- 2 ----- AK
1.00 ------- 2 ----- 2 ----- NM
1.00 ------- 2 ----- 2 ----- PR
1.00 ------- 1 ----- 1 ----- Australia
1.00 ------- 1 ----- 1 ----- Bosnia
1.00 ------- 1 ----- 1 ----- Canada-AB
1.00 ------- 1 ----- 1 ----- Germany
1.00 ------- 1 ----- 1 ----- Spain
1.00 ------- 2 ----- 2 ----- Great Britain
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Re: Registration 2011

(See following posts for explanation of the Seattle Shuffle. The teams will all return as they are reapportioned to evenly distribute rookies among veterans.)

There was a big loss of 40 registered teams yesterday.
Lost:
  • 29 Washington state
  • 6 Ontario Canada
  • 5 singletons from other locations.
The double Regional in Seattle imploded as it struck 47 teams from instate and surrounding areas who’d signed up. One new team added in.
The combined double regional would only amount to 52 teams now.

2011 Totals to-date:
  • 2043 teams
  • 412 new teams (5 of them are new veteran teams, 3 are returning from long, long ago > 7 years)
  • 18 total defunct veterans have returned
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Are those all rookie teams?
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Re: Registration 2011

Mark,

They are in the process of realigning the teams on the fields to get an even distribution of experienced teams. As part of the process, the teams are being removed from one regional and being assigned to the other. The reassignment hasn't occurred yet. We will be playing in Seattle, but were removed from the Olympic regional on Friday in preparation for the reassignment. Expect that our situation is similar to most of the teams that you have noted the loss of.

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