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Unread 04-01-2011, 18:21
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Re: 2011 FRC Game Hint #2

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Maybe the cone could actually be the field element. We could have a very low sloping cone in the center of the field. Maybe the dimensions would be 20' diameter with a 1' height. The sphere is a 4" tennis ball and the cylinder is the goal(s).
Maybe the sloping cone is a spot where you can get extra points! Maybe if your team has something on the top of the slop, such as a colored game piece or a robot, you get points! It would also be interesting because your game piece/robot could fall off!
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The first thing I noticed about this logo is that it does not have a trademark or a copyright symbol like every other instance of the logo, but is otherwise identical to the official one.

Why would they pull the TM off this image?
That;s been mentioned before, and has been marked as nothing. It means nothing, so fogetabouti! (Forget about it)
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Re: 2011 FRC Game Hint #2

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Here is a video FIRSTWorldTube posted May 6, 2010 on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuSDypGi_IA
After watching that video, I am now convinced it's a water game.
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After watching that video, I am now convinced it's a water game.
Are you serious? Robots and water? THAT'S AWESOME!!!!
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That;s been mentioned before, and has been marked as nothing. It means nothing, so fogetabouti! (Forget about it)
Au contraire!

FIRST would not release a document with their logo missing parts without a very good reason. Remember, their logo is trademarked/copyrighted, and as such the proper format needs to be used (i.e., copyright/trademark logos as necessary).

If those items are missing--as they are--and there is no organizational tag (also part of the logo for all intents and purposes), and this is on a logo that FIRST itself has put out, then there must be a very good reason.

If an organization violates its own logo-usage guidelines, there is either a very good reason or someone has a lot of explaining and fixing to do. I go with very good reason. What that reason is remains to be seen.
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Maybe the sloping cone is a spot where you can get extra points! Maybe if your team has something on the top of the slop, such as a colored game piece or a robot, you get points! It would also be interesting because your game piece/robot could fall off!

Maybe you could move, or push the goal (cylinder) and place it on top of the cone in the center for bonus points. The goal could have a concave dug out in the bottom.
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Hello everybody,

I did not bother reading the hundreds of posts before mine because I know what the game hints mean.

Summary:
Game hint one- a flipped picture of a singer who's most famous song is also the name a video game (Locomotion).
Game hint two- FIRST Logo in low resolution.

My conclusion: the flipped picture is symbolic of the fact that this is FIRST's 20th anniversary and this game will go back to the beginnings of the league. The first competition FIRST held was a game in which contestants collected tennis balls, which is very similar to the game Locomotion (see the connection?).
The FIRST logo in low resolution could also represent the history of the league.
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Au contraire!

FIRST would not release a document with their logo missing parts without a very good reason. Remember, their logo is trademarked/copyrighted, and as such the proper format needs to be used (i.e., copyright/trademark logos as necessary).

If those items are missing--as they are--and there is no organizational tag (also part of the logo for all intents and purposes), and this is on a logo that FIRST itself has put out, then there must be a very good reason.

If an organization violates its own logo-usage guidelines, there is either a very good reason or someone has a lot of explaining and fixing to do. I go with very good reason. What that reason is remains to be seen.
Yes, because the logo with the TM gives away the whole game! Nobody has been able to find a viable solution to what that can mean for two whole threads! Unless you find some significant meaning, then it's signified as meaningless.
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Yes, because the logo with the TM gives away the whole game! Nobody has been able to find a viable solution to what that can mean for two whole threads! Unless you find some significant meaning, then it's signified as meaningless.
This is a moment at which I really wish Mr. Lavery would just come in and tell us that is was a goof of Copyright left off before I go crazy

Back to my scrutinizing of the hint.
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Re: 2011 FRC Game Hint #2

agree with above.
also, does anyone have a picture of the original hint? i cant seem to find it anywhere.
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This is a moment at which I really wish Mr. Lavery would just come in and tell us that is was a goof of Copyright left off before I go crazy

Back to my scrutinizing of the hint.

I'm thinking of ways for the TM symbol to mean something, but the only thing I can think of is someone other than FIRST is doing something for the competition.
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Or spring-loaded walls on the sides that you could use to launch yourself!
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agree with above.
also, does anyone have a picture of the original hint? i cant seem to find it anywhere.
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agree with above.
also, does anyone have a picture of the original hint? i cant seem to find it anywhere.

All hints can be found at usfirst.org
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Yes, because the logo with the TM gives away the whole game! Nobody has been able to find a viable solution to what that can mean for two whole threads! Unless you find some significant meaning, then it's signified as meaningless.
Excuse me, but it's one thread.

The FIRST logo with the TM would mean nothing--it's the FIRST logo. The absence of the TM (or anything else other than the shapes) means that it is NOT the FIRST logo as it would normally be seen. The game logo is not the FIRST logo; the game logo would give away the game.

The significance is that SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE THERE IS NOT. What the missing thing is is the confusing thing.

...Wait a minute. The first hint was an album cover, reversed, and with the title removed. The second hint is the FIRST logo, normal, with thecompetition/organization tag and the trademark removed.

Both hints have something removed; an identifier or title. Could the game involve removing something from somewhere on the field?

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Re: 2011 FRC Game Hint #2

I think it's a good bet that there is going to be some kind of blast from the past involved in this game. There's a lot of evidence pointing there.

However, I don't think there will be trains and I don't think the logo has to do with the game pieces. If it did, my money would be on the cylinder since the other two "add up" to it. Somehow, though, I don't feel like the GDC would be that obvious.

I have noticed something that I haven't seen anybody else mention. Look at how we reacted to this hint. Before the hint, I kind of took the logo for granted. I knew about its origins from the video about Archimedes, but it was still just a logo. But, as soon as they posted it as a hint, we all started re-examining the logo (a game element so crazy it makes us re-examine FIRST???)--which the GDC could easily anticipate us doing--looking into its history and origins (blast from the past game)--also something the GDC could anticipate us doing--and interpreting the symbolism of the shapes, the linkage, and even the color scheme (I got nothin').

I would like to think said crazy game element would be treadmills, which I believe someone either mentioned in this thread or the first game hint thread. It would fit in with the locomotion idea without using trains. But who knows? It might be that our robots go on the walls instead of the floor.

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