2011 FRC Game Hint #2

Originally Posted by EricH

Excuse me, but it's one thread.

The FIRST logo with the TM would mean nothing--it's the FIRST logo. The absence of the TM (or anything else other than the shapes) means that it is NOT the FIRST logo as it would normally be seen. The game logo is not the FIRST logo; the game logo would give away the game.

The significance is that SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE THERE IS NOT. What the missing thing is is the confusing thing.

...Wait a minute. The first hint was an album cover, reversed, and with the title removed. The second hint is the FIRST logo, normal, with thecompetition/organization tag and the trademark removed.

Both hints have something removed; an identifier or title. Could the game involve removing something from somewhere on the field?

--Don't go looking for no significance where there might be some significance that you can't see.

I don't mean to be rude! Sorry! The only thing I could think of is that someone besides FIRST is doing something for the competition. Your idea is good too! Maybe each alliance can take something away from the opposing alliance!

[MattC9]

Shall we connect the logo, or the anniversary to the game?

[TheoBlacksmith]

the most obvious is that It would maybe be some recreation of the 1st FIRST game since it is their anniversairy. Another thing is that it could be a linkage game because of "Little Eva" and her song "Loco - Motion". Possibly all teams on the alliance's robots are connected together to do some sort of race, or an obstacle course or some sort of train design to push or pull down a track.

[rabridges]

Originally Posted by EricH

Excuse me, but it's one thread.

The FIRST logo with the TM would mean nothing--it's the FIRST logo. The absence of the TM (or anything else other than the shapes) means that it is NOT the FIRST logo as it would normally be seen. The game logo is not the FIRST logo; the game logo would give away the game.

The significance is that SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE THERE IS NOT. What the missing thing is is the confusing thing.

...Wait a minute. The first hint was an album cover, reversed, and with the title removed. The second hint is the FIRST logo, normal, with thecompetition/organization tag and the trademark removed.

Both hints have something removed; an identifier or title. Could the game involve removing something from somewhere on the field?

--Don't go looking for no significance where there might be some significance that you can't see.

Maybe the Human element might be removed from this years game as mentioned in Hint 1 Thread, A full Autonomous game. Robots just relaying sensors and good programming.

Originally Posted by rabridges

Maybe the Human element might be removed from this years game as mentioned in Hint 1 Thread, A full Autonomous games. Robots just relaying sensors and good programming.

Sounds good for us programmers, but that would make a lot of people who run the robot and are the human player quit robotics, so that's probobly not going to happen. PLUS, it could result in a lot of crashes, and would take the excitement out of the game.

[CassCity2081]

Originally Posted by rabridges

Maybe the Human element might be removed from this years game as mentioned in Hint 1 Thread, A full Autonomous game. Robots just relaying sensors and good programming.

I have to believe that a full autonomous game is impossible. the littlest bump from another robot could completely screw up any match in full autonomous mode.

Originally Posted by CassCity2081

I have to believe that a full autonomous game is impossible. the littlest bump from another robot could completely screw up any match in full autonomous mode.

Agreed. If you want full autonomous mode, try Botball. That's always fun!

[Tetraman]

Originally Posted by EricH

Excuse me, but it's one thread.

The FIRST logo with the TM would mean nothing--it's the FIRST logo. The absence of the TM (or anything else other than the shapes) means that it is NOT the FIRST logo as it would normally be seen. The game logo is not the FIRST logo; the game logo would give away the game.

The significance is that SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE THERE IS NOT. What the missing thing is is the confusing thing.

...Wait a minute. The first hint was an album cover, reversed, and with the title removed. The second hint is the FIRST logo, normal, with thecompetition/organization tag and the trademark removed.

Both hints have something removed; an identifier or title. Could the game involve removing something from somewhere on the field?

--Don't go looking for no significance where there might be some significance that you can't see.

Good

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I've got a feeling that you have figured it out. It's not just the FIRST logo - it's the design that is what's important.

[Grim Tuesday]

Full autonomous would never be possibly, it would put too much strain on any of the teams programmer-requiring them to make a legitimate artificial intelligence, instead of a scripted on as is.


EDIT: After reading through this thread, I have come to agree with Tetraman and EricH: It's not about the picture, its about what isnt in the picture.

[Speeder]

Maybe something like a Railroad Switch Yard. Positioning (and linking) large game pieces into a 'train', of course the chosen order wouldn't be revealed until the start of each match.

[SteveGPage]

Let's try a different "track" (pun intended).

What if the hint has nothing to do with the game, but refers to the robots instead? In several of the previous seasons, we have had to design the robots, while also keeping in mind what other teams might design. Can I lift, can I be lifted, can I support another, etc. I would not be surprised if we have 3 different configurations (size, height, weight) and have to design the robot within those different and unique specs. So the first part of the design is how you expect to play the game, and how this robot will be a part of an alliance. Maybe, using the train motif - you have to figure out if you are the engine, the cargo car, or the caboose! Your alliance would be severely limited if all three were the same configuration!

Steve

Originally Posted by Speeder

Maybe something like a Railroad Switch Yard. Positioning (and linking) large game pieces into a 'train', of course the chosen order wouldn't be revealed until the start of each match.

That sounds like an FRC game! Especially because it has the randomness of the order in it!

[rabridges]

Originally Posted by EricH

Excuse me, but it's one thread.

The FIRST logo with the TM would mean nothing--it's the FIRST logo. The absence of the TM (or anything else other than the shapes) means that it is NOT the FIRST logo as it would normally be seen. The game logo is not the FIRST logo; the game logo would give away the game.

The significance is that SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE THERE IS NOT. What the missing thing is is the confusing thing.

...Wait a minute. The first hint was an album cover, reversed, and with the title removed. The second hint is the FIRST logo, normal, with thecompetition/organization tag and the trademark removed.

Both hints have something removed; an identifier or title. Could the game involve removing something from somewhere on the field?

--Don't go looking for no significance where there might be some significance that you can't see.

Originally Posted by SuperNerd256

Agreed. If you want full autonomous mode, try Botball. That's always fun!

Originally Posted by CassCity2081

I have to believe that a full autonomous game is impossible. the littlest bump from another robot could completely screw up any match in full autonomous mode.

True the game could be a bit dry without some human element, what else is trademark of FIRST that could be removed?

[TheoBlacksmith]

Originally Posted by Speeder

Maybe something like a Railroad Switch Yard. Positioning (and linking) large game pieces into a 'train', of course the chosen order wouldn't be revealed until the start of each match.

Defenitly agree. also i am a programmer and i know that a fully autonamous game would be near impossible(nothing is impossible)but pretty close.

[EricH]

No autonomous period. There wasn't one up until 2003; it would be an interesting throwback to not have one for a year.