FRC 2011: Logomotion [Initial Impressions]

[EricH]

I REALLY hate the inspection rule.

For reference, <T03>:

A TEAM will only be allowed to participate in a MATCH and receive qualification, ranking, and Coopertition points only if it has passed inspection. If it is learned after the start of the MATCH that a TEAM did not pass inspection, the TEAM’s entire ALLIANCE will receive a RED CARD for that MATCH

Unless no-show teams are given a bye, there are going to be quite a few red cards handed out early on. And if there aren't enough inspectors to go around, there could be some teams hurt unintentionally.

I see why it's there, but the entire alliance?????? The penalty is TOO MUCH! You've never been DQ'd because of what your partner did before, except in eliminations!

[EricH]

OTOH, I like the minibot role(s). And there will be fewer ties in eliminations.

[Vikesrock]

Originally Posted by EricH

I see why it's there, but the entire alliance?????? The penalty is TOO MUCH! You've never been DQ'd because of what your partner did before, except in eliminations!

Easy enough to have 1 member of your drive team responsible for checking stickers before each match as part of your pre-match routine.

[jsasaki]

now I know why in first choice option 1 they had an ftc mini kit.. that was going through my head the whole time.

[southgirl]

Rule question b/c I can't access the FIRST site for some reason:
With the scoring pegs, will the second logo on a row double the entire peg row score, or just that second row?

Also, what is the limit on how high the minibots can be placed on the tower?

[Nicole175]

Originally Posted by southgirl

Rule question b/c I can't access the FIRST site for some reason:
With the scoring pegs, will the second logo on a row double the entire peg row score, or just that second row?

Also, what is the limit on how high the minibots can be placed on the tower?

the site's down and i'm very upset. anyone have a copy of the rules yet?

[MishraArtificer]

I think we killed the site...again...anyone have a copy of the game manual they could send me?

[jsasaki]

ruleshttp://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...threadid=88360

[GGCO]

I don't know how fun it will be to watch as a spectator, and I'm not sure how fast paced the game will be either. Seems kind of lame when coming from Breakaway...

[synth3tk]

Originally Posted by GGCO

I don't know how fun it will be to watch as a spectator, and I'm not sure how fast paced the game will be either. Seems kind of lame when coming from Breakaway...

Watching a bunch of robots kick a bunch of balls into a bunch of goals? Or Tic-Tac-Toe, where you can glance halfway through the match and get an idea of how well an alliance is doing?

Agreed that there was a lot of action in Breakaway, you can't exactly say that this one will be lame until you've played it.

[Christopher149]

Originally Posted by MishraArtificer

I think we killed the site...again...anyone have a copy of the game manual they could send me?

If you google "2011 frc Competition Manual & Related Docs", it should be the first result, and if you click "Cached", and then scroll down to the manual, I was able to retrieve it.

[chris janney]

thanks for clarifying how high up the mini-bot could be deployed from. also does anyone know if we would be allowed to use compressed air to shoot the minibot up the pole?

[EricH]

Originally Posted by chris janney

thanks for clarifying how high up the mini-bot could be deployed from. also does anyone know if we would be allowed to use compressed air to shoot the minibot up the pole?

Depends. Can it be done within the pneumatics rules set forth in Game Section 4.3.11?

If so, then yes, provided that launching minibots is also legal. If not, then don't show up to competition with a device using compressed air to shoot minitbots up poles.

[oddjob]

First impression, don't like the game at all. The logo array scoring is spectator unfriendly. Scoring will be unclear and games will end with no idea who has won until the official score is announced, not only because the logo scoring requires a rule book to tally but also the end of game bonus is relatively large. Positioning game pieces on a rack has no relevance to anything in the real world for most people.

For the participants, it will be challenging and fun as it always is when you are competing. In the grand scheme of broadening the appeal of FRC, this game is a step backwards from 2010 "soccer" and a huge disappointment.

[Grim Tuesday]

Originally Posted by oddjob

First impression, don't like the game at all. The logo array scoring is spectator unfriendly. Scoring will be unclear and games will end with no idea who has won until the official score is announced, not only because the logo scoring requires a rule book to tally but also the end of game bonus is relatively large. Positioning game pieces on a rack has no relevance to anything in the real world for most people.

For the participants, it will be challenging and fun as it always is when you are competing. In the grand scheme of broadening the appeal of FRC, this game is a step backwards from 2010 "soccer" and a huge disappointment.

You hit the nail right on the head. I think the game will be exciting and fun to watch for the millions of people on an FRC team. However, the scoring is relatively complex, and makes no sense to someone who isnt in FIRST.


Personally, I love the game, it mixes up 2007 enough for it to be completely different (the biggest change imo is no defense) but it won't be fun to watch for spectators.