FRC 2011: Logomotion [Initial Impressions]

[blayde5]

Hey guys,

As the new game was just announced. What are your initial impressions of the game?

I, for one, think that the minobot will be a big player towards the end (like the super cell in Lunacy)

[BitTwiddler]

It's like Rack and Roll but it should be slightly easier to develop a workable autonomous capability to score the Ubertubes. I like it!
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[Tetraman]

From a Field Reset standpoint, I am scared out of my mind. Getting ripped up tape back together plus having to inflate/deflate all these tubes.

Oh dear...

From a student/mentor perspective, I like it. It's a good challenge though I wonder if the end game with the minibots is going to be more fun to watch then the rest of the game.

From a design standpoint I don't know what to think.

[weinertj]

Hmm...line following....

[dag0620]

Overall I think it's a good game. While I feel bringing tubes back at this time early, its going to be a good game.

I'm really excited about the mini-bots. This is what is going to make these games rock.

And to those who guessed that these were coming, kudos to you!

[EricH]

I REALLY hate the inspection rule.

For reference, <T03>:

A TEAM will only be allowed to participate in a MATCH and receive qualification, ranking, and Coopertition points only if it has passed inspection. If it is learned after the start of the MATCH that a TEAM did not pass inspection, the TEAM’s entire ALLIANCE will receive a RED CARD for that MATCH

Unless no-show teams are given a bye, there are going to be quite a few red cards handed out early on. And if there aren't enough inspectors to go around, there could be some teams hurt unintentionally.

I see why it's there, but the entire alliance?????? The penalty is TOO MUCH! You've never been DQ'd because of what your partner did before, except in eliminations!

[EricH]

OTOH, I like the minibot role(s). And there will be fewer ties in eliminations.

[Vikesrock]

Originally Posted by EricH

I see why it's there, but the entire alliance?????? The penalty is TOO MUCH! You've never been DQ'd because of what your partner did before, except in eliminations!

Easy enough to have 1 member of your drive team responsible for checking stickers before each match as part of your pre-match routine.

[Dargel1625]

Originally Posted by EricH

I REALLY hate the inspection rule.

For reference, <T03>:


Unless no-show teams are given a bye, there are going to be quite a few red cards handed out early on. And if there aren't enough inspectors to go around, there could be some teams hurt unintentionally.

I see why it's there, but the entire alliance?????? The penalty is TOO MUCH! You've never been DQ'd because of what your partner did before, except in eliminations!

From the way I'm understanding it, there won't be penalties for no-show teams. It states that if it is found out after a match starts that a robot hasn't passed inspection, the penalty will be handed down. If I am reading it correctly I think the only situation in which this rule would be enforced is if a robot didn't pass inspection and went onto the field anyway, because no-show teams would be known before the match starts.

[jsasaki]

now I know why in first choice option 1 they had an ftc mini kit.. that was going through my head the whole time.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Vikesrock

Easy enough to have 1 member of your drive team responsible for checking stickers before each match as part of your pre-match routine.

I can think of 2 separate incidents where teams did not pass inspection due to being stubborn, and refusing to change their robots to comply with the rules, or something similar. In that case per missing team, 2*7 or 2*10 red cards go to other teams, just because the team hasn't passed and refuses to pass inspection.

Those teams lose a match of qualifying.

I think the intent is that if a team is later found to be in violation (i.e., plays and then is re-inspected for X and fails), then the red cards. But that's not what the rule says. The rule says that if Team X has not passed inspection and participates in a match (sends a human player or minibot that has passed), then the entire alliance is DQ'd.

[southgirl]

Rule question b/c I can't access the FIRST site for some reason:
With the scoring pegs, will the second logo on a row double the entire peg row score, or just that second row?

Also, what is the limit on how high the minibots can be placed on the tower?

[Nicole175]

Originally Posted by southgirl

Rule question b/c I can't access the FIRST site for some reason:
With the scoring pegs, will the second logo on a row double the entire peg row score, or just that second row?

Also, what is the limit on how high the minibots can be placed on the tower?

the site's down and i'm very upset. anyone have a copy of the rules yet?

[IronHorse 2761]

The minibots can only be placed up to 18" above the base of the tower, which is 12" high. How do you start a new thread on this website?

[MishraArtificer]

I think we killed the site...again...anyone have a copy of the game manual they could send me?