FRC 2011: Logomotion [Initial Impressions]

[Vikesrock]

Originally Posted by southgirl

Rule question b/c I can't access the FIRST site for some reason:
With the scoring pegs, will the second logo on a row double the entire peg row score, or just that second row?

Also, what is the limit on how high the minibots can be placed on the tower?

A complete FIRST logo on a row of pegs in the grid doubles the score for each of the pegs in that row.

The minibots must be deployed below the Deployment Line per <G20>. The definition of the Deployment Line:

DEPLOYMENT LINE – located on the POST, approximately 18 inches above the top surface of the BASE.

[jsasaki]

ruleshttp://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...threadid=88360

[EricH]

Originally Posted by southgirl

Rule question b/c I can't access the FIRST site for some reason:
With the scoring pegs, will the second logo on a row double the entire peg row score, or just that second row?

Also, what is the limit on how high the minibots can be placed on the tower?

Rules answer:

For the minbot height limit,

Originally Posted by Game Section 3

<G20> ROBOTS/HOSTBOTS may not contact their own TOWERS above the DEPLOYMENT LINE. Violation: PENALTY for contact. TOWER is disabled if MINIBOT is DEPLOYED above the DEPLOYMENT LINE.

Originally Posted by Game Section 2, <2.2.5>, third paragraph

The POST extends upwards from the center of the BASE. The POST is constructed from a piece of 1.75-inch diameter (O.D.) steel pipe. The DEPLOYMENT LINE is located on the POST, approximately 18 inches above the top surface of the BASE. The DEPLOYMENT LINE is marked on the POST with black permanent marker to avoid significant changes to the surface properties of the POST (other than color).

FYI, this is why the encrypted rules are released.

Starting a new thread: click that purple logo, find the appropriate subforum in the list, and click the "new thread" button.

Scoring: Scoring grids are independent, as near as I can make out.

[ShortBang]

5.3.5 Coopertition Score (CS)
Any borrowed MINIBOT which scores points by legally triggering the TARGET during the MATCH receives one (1) Coopertition point for the FRC TEAM registered for the event that is affiliated with the MINIBOT.
The total number of Coopertition points earned by a TEAM throughout the qualification matches will be their Coopertition score.

Now the way I read this, your team can lend a minibot even when not competing?

[GGCO]

I don't know how fun it will be to watch as a spectator, and I'm not sure how fast paced the game will be either. Seems kind of lame when coming from Breakaway...

[EricH]

Originally Posted by ShortBang

5.3.5 Coopertition Score (CS)
Any borrowed MINIBOT which scores points by legally triggering the TARGET during the MATCH receives one (1) Coopertition point for the FRC TEAM registered for the event that is affiliated with the MINIBOT.
The total number of Coopertition points earned by a TEAM throughout the qualification matches will be their Coopertition score.

Now the way I read this, your team can lend a minibot even when not competing?

Unclear. I would assume so, but that's a Q&A question. Something on the order of, "Where are valid Minibot sources for a given match?
a) the team, assumed to be valid by reason of building it.
b) a partner
c) an opponent
d) a team that is not participating in the match
e) all of the above."

[southgirl]

Can someone please post the KOP inventory list for veteran teams because I still cannot access the FIRST site

[Don Wright]

Eric,

I think they mean if a robot competes on the field that didn't pass inspection, then it's a red card. If the robot didn't pass inspection and doesn't go on the field, no red card.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Don Wright

Eric,

I think they mean if a robot competes on the field that didn't pass inspection, then it's a red card. If the robot didn't pass inspection and doesn't go on the field, no red card.

What they mean, yes, I agree. But it's not what they say. If a TEAM participates (i.e., humans show up) and the robot does not, under the current writing of the rules, all three teams get a red card. All it takes is for the human player to show up, and there are three red cards, under the written rules.

It's an easy fix, too: Replace "TEAM" with "TEAM's ROBOT" the first two times it appears in that rule. Boom, the team can show up and participate without the robot, and no red cards are issued. (Though the alliance is still at a disadvantage.) Also, due to the change back to W-L-T rankings, it shouldn't be as big of an issue as this last year.

[Christopher149]

Originally Posted by MishraArtificer

I think we killed the site...again...anyone have a copy of the game manual they could send me?

If you google "2011 frc Competition Manual & Related Docs", it should be the first result, and if you click "Cached", and then scroll down to the manual, I was able to retrieve it.

[synth3tk]

Originally Posted by GGCO

I don't know how fun it will be to watch as a spectator, and I'm not sure how fast paced the game will be either. Seems kind of lame when coming from Breakaway...

Watching a bunch of robots kick a bunch of balls into a bunch of goals? Or Tic-Tac-Toe, where you can glance halfway through the match and get an idea of how well an alliance is doing?

Agreed that there was a lot of action in Breakaway, you can't exactly say that this one will be lame until you've played it.

[Koko Ed]

My initial thought was teams that excelled at handling and placing tubes in 2007 are going to dominate this game.

Also in a nod back to 2005 there is a "no-fly" zone on the field where if a team loses it's mind and does the unthinkably stupid and goes defend a robot placing tubes in their home zone they will get a debilitating penalty for their actions. Now more than ever teams need to make sure not only they know the rules but even more importantly their partners know the rules.

[pacoliketaco]

anyone else saying thank you that team 25 was featured in the 2007 behind the design book? i sure know thats what i first thought of when i saw this. I dont see much reason to do anything but that, have a lift on the front and the minibot deployment on the back.

[EdithH]

I would also like a copy of the rules, please.

[kws4000]

One thing the manual does not say is how high the scoring rods are above the ground. I got the "middle being 8" above the others", but the avg height? That info would be good for an automatically adjusting height-based lifter.