How Many Round Trips Can a Team Make?

[Al Skierkiewicz]

Human players can throw over the player station.
<G57> During the TELEOPERATED PERIOD, FEEDERS may enter LOGO PIECES onto the FIELD by using the FEEDING SLOTS or by throwing the LOGO PIECE over the top of the FEEDER STATION wall. LOGO PIECES may not be thrown around the side of the FEEDER STATION wall. Violation: PENALTY

[Tetraman]

Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz

Human players can throw over the player station.
<G57> During the TELEOPERATED PERIOD, FEEDERS may enter LOGO PIECES onto the FIELD by using the FEEDING SLOTS or by throwing the LOGO PIECE over the top of the FEEDER STATION wall. LOGO PIECES may not be thrown around the side of the FEEDER STATION wall. Violation: PENALTY

Yea. I kinda wish this rule wasn't there, but it is.

This allows for teams to pick up from the floor, not needing to always to head to the player station...but the biggest thing is that this will lead to Redabots stealing the thrown tubes from the Blueabot human player. Risky move, but it will help cut down on time.

Human players will have to train in throwing techniques so they don't accidentally throw a tube into the opponent's scoring zone. That would be very bad.

[Alex Cormier]

Also, will the tubes be placed back into the field of play where exited?

[Vikesrock]

Originally Posted by Alex Cormier

Also, will the tubes be placed back into the field of play where exited?

Yes, see <G35>

<G35> GAME PIECES that exit the FIELD will be placed back on the FIELD approximately at the point of exit, at the earliest safe opportunity, by FIELD staff.

[MagiChau]

Originally Posted by Tetraman

Yea. I kinda wish this rule wasn't there, but it is.

This allows for teams to pick up from the floor, not needing to always to head to the player station...but the biggest thing is that this will lead to Redabots stealing the thrown tubes from the Blueabot human player. Risky move, but it will help cut down on time.

Human players will have to train in throwing techniques so they don't accidentally throw a tube into the opponent's scoring zone. That would be very bad.

I think there's an additional benefit of a smaller time frame of your opponents can be alerted to your attempt to receive a logo tube. This probably requires your feeder to be able to not just accurately throw but to be able to time. Hopefully teams will be able to provide a rough estimate of how their robot can go so the feeder will be able to time no matter what robot it is.

[Jon Stratis]

Originally Posted by GBIT

As posted on my teams forums earlier by a team member:


A few thoughts:

To get a perfect score, each team on the alliance would need to get and place a tube every 18 seconds (assuming 15 seconds at the end for minibot missions).

If you look at each robot placing a tube every 29 seconds, the best raw score is a 28 (6 hi, 5 medium)

In our human player simulations, the best match we turned in was 9 tubes. ( 9 tubes is each alliance robot placing a tube every 35 seconds). The best raw score for 9 tubes is 24 (6 hi, 3 medium).

If we can't do a high placement, the best score we can achieve in teleop mode with 9 tubes is 15 (6 med, 3 lo). This is the same score as placing 5 tubes, all hi. at 63 seconds per tube.

You might want to double check your math... specifically, with regards to <G66>:

If three LOGO PIECES form a LOGO, the assigned points from the SCORING PEGS in that row of that SCORING GRID are given as an additional LOGO BONUS, effectively doubling the score of the row.

With that rule, the point values can be a lot higher... and that's what most teams will attempt while placing their tubes.

Also, don't forget the Ubertubes! In addition to scoring points for themselves, they score points for anything placed over them, per <G65>

The PEG SCORE is the sum of points determined by the positions of the GAME PIECES on each SCORING GRID. A LOGO PIECES HANGING in front of an UBERTUBE doubles the points for that SCORING PEG. The table below gives the value for each GAME PIECE HANGING on a SCORING PEG.

So, if we take your best case scenario above:

If you look at each robot placing a tube every 29 seconds, the best raw score is a 28 (6 hi, 5 medium)

Add 3 Ubertubes to the top row and line up the logo's 3 times, you'll end up with a total of 82 points!


The question posed in this thread is a very important one. The number of tubes placed has a huge impact on what portion of the game is most important. Placing a minibot can score up to 30 points... in order for a single robot (with no help from its alliance members at all) to get that, it has to place an uber tube and 3 regular tubes that form a logo, all on the top row.

[JHammond]

> You might want to double check your math... specifically, with regards to <G66>:


Please note that the original calculation was a "Raw" teleop score, without adjustments made by Ubertubes or making logos.

Of course those increase the total score (the Adjusted teleop score), but they seem to do so in a linear fashion with respect to placing tubes on the top, middle, or bottom.

[1168Programmer]

So, if we take your best case scenario above:


Add 3 Ubertubes to the top row and line up the logo's 3 times, you'll end up with a total of 82 points!

Is it legal to put more than one logo on a row? If it is, this math makes sense. If not, then 36 is the max you could score on the top row. Which is it?

[GBilletdeaux930]

Originally Posted by 1168Programmer

Is it legal to put more than one logo on a row? If it is, this math makes sense. If not, then 36 is the max you could score on the top row. Which is it?

<G63> If two GAME PIECES are HANGING from a single SCORING PEG, the outermost GAME PIECE will be counted for scoring purposes.

Only one logo a row.

[Grim Tuesday]

Don't forget that for tank driver robots, you have to go through a tricky turning process when you enter the lanes.

[1631JD]

Yes, but you also have to include the Ubertubes hanging underneath. The max points for the top row would be 54.

[Grim Tuesday]

Originally Posted by 1631JD

Yes, but you also have to include the Ubertubes hanging underneath. The max points for the top row would be 54.

This is discussed in this thread.

[1168Programmer]

So it all basically comes back to how many round trips can you (I hesitate to use this word...) realistically make in 2 minutes?

[ahollenbach]

You cannot stack the tubes (doing so will just make the outermost tube count) with the exception of the ubertube, which is a x2 multiplier.
Check our team's score calculator if you have any questions - the updated version (post #3) correctly accounts for ubertube placement and teleop peg score.

[cyberjoek]

Let me start with my assumptions:

• A team will only use 110 seconds of the teleop period to score tubes, the remaining 10 seconds will be used for The Great Race.
• There is a total fixed cost of 10 seconds per lap for loading at the feeder station and dumping onto the Scoring Peg.
• All robots can place Ubertubes and logos on the top peg.
• The total travel distance each way is 50' out of the 54' of the arena.
• This exercise assumes all three bots on an alliance are the same and can achieve all aspects of the game.
• Minibot points aren't factored in any way.

Now onto the findings:
To get 1 logo piece robot must move at 1.00 ft/sec. Max Alliance Score: 54
To get 2 logo pieces robot must move at 2.22 ft/sec. Max Alliance Score: 72
To get 3 logo pieces robot must move at 3.75 ft/sec. Max Alliance Score: 84
To get 4 logo pieces robot must move at 5.71 ft/sec. Max Alliance Score: 96
To get 5 logo pieces robot must move at 8.33 ft/sec. Max Alliance Score: 102
To get 6 logo pieces robot must move at 12.00 ft/sec. Max Alliance Score: 108

Just for grins to get more than 6 (making up for other bots):
To get 7 logo pieces robot must move at 17.50 ft/sec.
To get 8 logo pieces robot must move at 26.67 ft/sec.
To get 9 logo pieces robot must move at 45.00 ft/sec.
To get 10 logo pieces robot must move at 100.00 ft/sec.