Go to Post Just proves those guys have loco-motives - Wayne C. [more]
Home
Go Back   Chief Delphi > Technical > Technical Discussion
CD-Media   CD-Spy  
portal register members calendar search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read FAQ rules

 
Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 09-01-2011, 19:25
EricH's Avatar
EricH EricH is offline
New year, new team
FRC #1197 (Torbots)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Rookie Year: 2003
Location: SoCal
Posts: 19,777
EricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Mecanum drive

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ether View Post
Half?? Wow, you must have been watching some bots with pretty beat-up wheels.

Quality mecanum wheels will have nearly equal forward and strafe speed, but they are very expensive. If they get hit and damaged so that the rollers don't spin freely under load, you'll start to see degradation in sideways speed.
Or if the rollers too tight, or are rubbing hard against the sideplates. Either of those will cause it. This is another of those cases where theory says one thing, and reality says to theory, "You need to come over to MY place tonight!" Just about every mecanum robot I've seen in FIRST is slower sideways than front-back. 357, 330's testbed, and many others. It's faster than 1/2 speed, but it's nowhere near full speed. Maybe about 3/4 speed.

That's just what I've seen at competitions; the root causes could be any of the ones we've mentioned, or something we haven't thought of.
__________________
Past teams:
2003-2007: FRC0330 BeachBots
2008: FRC1135 Shmoebotics
2012: FRC4046 Schroedinger's Dragons

"Rockets are tricky..."--Elon Musk

  #2   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 09-01-2011, 19:47
Ether's Avatar
Ether Ether is offline
systems engineer (retired)
no team
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Rookie Year: 1969
Location: US
Posts: 8,066
Ether has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Mecanum drive

Quote:
Originally Posted by EricH View Post
Or if the rollers too tight, or are rubbing hard against the sideplates.
I agree with the above, but will add this: a high-quality mecanum wheel's rollers will not be "too tight" or "rub hard against the sideplates". The rollers will have properly-designed bearings that can withstand the high axial thrust loads and still spin freely with no binding or rubbing. That's what makes them expensive.

Quote:
This is another of those cases where theory says one thing, and reality says to theory, "You need to come over to MY place tonight!"
There's no reason that theory cannot include a consideration of the effects of friction. In many complex systems, a proper theoretical analysis of frictional effects is absolutely mandatory for developing a proper design.



Last edited by Ether : 09-01-2011 at 19:50.
  #3   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 09-01-2011, 19:48
EricH's Avatar
EricH EricH is offline
New year, new team
FRC #1197 (Torbots)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Rookie Year: 2003
Location: SoCal
Posts: 19,777
EricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Mecanum drive

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ether View Post
I agree with the above, but will add this: a high-quality mecanum wheel's rollers will not be "too tight" or "rub hard against the sideplates". The rollers will have properly-designed bearings that can withstand the high axial thrust loads and still spin freely with no binding or rubbing. That's what makes them expensive.
Which is probably 50% of the reason they aren't found on FRC robots.

The other 50% is that very few teams, if any, know they exist.
__________________
Past teams:
2003-2007: FRC0330 BeachBots
2008: FRC1135 Shmoebotics
2012: FRC4046 Schroedinger's Dragons

"Rockets are tricky..."--Elon Musk

Closed Thread


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 13:12.

The Chief Delphi Forums are sponsored by Innovation First International, Inc.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Chief Delphi