Labview wiped out :'(

[xisybyl]

I discovered this (no LabVIEW) also. I am certain that we followed the "How to Set up "our 2011 Driver Station" instructions to the letter.
I am also certain that previously we were able to view and modify VIs on the classmate, but no longer can. The driver station does run however. This leads me to believe that we no longer have a fully operational LabVIEW on the Classmate, but do have a LabVIEW Runtime module. I confirmed this with MAX (Measurement & Automation Explorer).
And when loading LabVIEW on our "development" computer, I recall seeing "Application Builder" on the install list. This leads me to believe that the omission of LabVIEW on the reflashing of the Classmates for 2011 may have been intentional. Perhaps they expect the teams to use App Builder to create a runtime module, then copy it to the classmate, then build the cRIO module and download it to the cRIO.
If so, this adds extra steps to the design, test, debug, modify etc. cycle.
I am raising the question in this manner as I believe the contest rules require specific LabVIEW versions/updates, so adding LabVIEW from the DVD unless explicitly allowed would result in disqualification.
Greg McKaskle, please investigate. Thanks.

[Greg McKaskle]

The classmate image and described updates will give you a DS with a DB, but no development tools. This leaves max space for you to install the tool(s) you choose.

Last year, all teams were receiving the new laptop and it was loaded up with everything that had installers ready at the time. This year, the approach was to install the minimum and let teams install what they would like to use.

The app builder is installed with LV because you may use it to make a new dashboard, and it is used to make RT deployments for the cRIO. There shouldn't be any change to your dev cycle.

Greg McKaskle

[xisybyl]

Thanks, Greg for monitoring the Forum in the middle of the night. What I know is that we were able to develop/make software changes on the Classmate, but no longer can. LabVIEW used to be on our Classmate, and now (post flashing) it appears not to be. I found another thread also on Chief Delphi entitled "Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?"
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=88536

The thread also indicates there is not enough room to add LabVIEW 8.6.1 on the Classmate. If true, do you suppose the change from XP to WIN7 had anything to do with it?

P.S. I'm a looong time LabVIEW user.

[PSHRobotics]

Originally Posted by xisybyl

Thanks, Greg for monitoring the Forum in the middle of the night. What I know is that we were able to develop/make software changes on the Classmate, but no longer can. LabVIEW used to be on our Classmate, and now (post flashing) it appears not to be. I found another thread also on Chief Delphi entitled "Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?"
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=88536

The thread also indicates there is not enough room to add LabVIEW 8.6.1 on the Classmate. If true, do you suppose the change from XP to WIN7 had anything to do with it?

P.S. I'm a looong time LabVIEW user.

I run LabView perfectly on Windows 7. In fact, I am using it right now on this computer which has Windows 7.
If you need more room on your classmate to install LabView, there is a new procedure (as of 1/11/2011) available on the KOP to get "up to 5GB of space back". I think the reimaging process was flawed, so: Classmate Drive Space Recovery Procedure (NEW 1/11/11)
And if someone wants it: USFIRST.org - Kit of Parts. Everything related to the Classmate should be under the "Control System" subheading.

[rsdickerson]

(warning: I'm a rookie mentor who has barely got my feet wet)

I was under the impression that the best practice for robot code and dashboard development is to install Labview, the FRC Labview update, the FRC utilities, and the Driver Station on a second PC. This second PC becomes the development environment and the Classmate the live environment. So, once development gets to a point where its time to build and release a new version, the new version would be deployed to the Classmate and cRIO. At that point the development can continue in the development environment on the next version.

[A Tech]

does the mini laptop have labview?

[xisybyl]

Yes it can. Check out Team Update #1 http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...nt.aspx?id=450

And thanks, Greg.