Stool for Driver's Coach?

[Saders49]

Is our driver's coach allowed to stand on a stool during the competition so that he is taller?

[MagiChau]

I believe this would fall under an item to give a competitive advantage so no.

T33
The only equipment that may be brought in to the Alliance Station is the Operator Console and non-powered signaling devices. Reasonable decorative items, and special clothing and/or equipment required due to a disability may be brought into the Alliance or Kinect Stations. Other items, particularly those intended to provide a competitive advantage for the team, are prohibited.

[Hallry]

Originally Posted by MagiChau

I believe this would fall under an item to give a competitive advantage so no.

Not to mention being unsafe. What if a driver or human player bumped into him and knocked him off?

[Josh Goodman]

I can see this being allowed only if they're short enough to not be able to see over the alliance station or their drivers. Then it might be ruled as a "disability".

But if it's just to be able to see better than you already can, yes the last line of T33 defines that.

[CalTran]

While the original question has indeed been answered, as I am reading it I'm curious as to whether it would be legal if you physically attached a periscope-type device to your operator console...this may be brough on because I'm brain dead from a our first regional plus the day back and our spring break being on wednesday...

[savage]

After reading T33 Iam going to say NO, But it never hurts to ask the HEAD REF.

[Hallry]

Even if the Head Ref did allow it, just think of the possible safety issues. With the human players running back and forth between the corral and imbounder station, what is the likely hood of one of them accidentally hitting the stool and knocking your coach off?

[PAR_WIG1350]

Originally Posted by CalTran

While the original question has indeed been answered, as I am reading it I'm curious as to whether it would be legal if you physically attached a periscope-type device to your operator console...this may be brough on because I'm brain dead from a our first regional plus the day back and our spring break being on wednesday...

T33 Specifically allows for teams to bring their operators' console, if that happens to include a periscope, which is not specifically disallowed, I don't see why it wouldn't be allowed.

[Al Skierkiewicz]

FIRST has always made the competition accessible to people who want to participate. I have seen devices to help shorter people see over the drivers. In TV and film these are known as apple boxes. All the short stars use them.
A periscope might be pushing the limit on this. There is one unbreakable and unwritten law in FIRST, don't make it hard for your alliance partners to play.

[Joe Ross]

While past year's Q/A's do not apply to the current year, in 2010, a short student driver was denied a stool. http://forums.usfirst.org/showthread.php?t=14863

There is discussion of the previous answer here: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...3639&highlight

[Captaindan]

Has anyone had any problems with your drivers station controls fitting in the space provided. Is it alright if there is a little overhang?

[slijin]

Originally Posted by Captaindan

Has anyone had any problems with your drivers station controls fitting in the space provided. Is it alright if there is a little overhang?

[R82] GAME

The Operator Console must not exceed 44 in. long by 12 in. deep (excluding any items that are held or worn by the Drivers during the Match).

As these are the surface dimensions of the smallest shelf, the answer is no.

[IndySam]

Originally Posted by slijin

[R82] GAME

The Operator Console must not exceed 44 in. long by 12 in. deep (excluding any items that are held or worn by the Drivers during the Match).

As these are the surface dimensions of the smallest shelf, the answer is no.

Also remember that there is an emergency stop button on the drivers station that takes up space.

[Chris_Elston]

Originally Posted by Joe Ross

While past year's Q/A's do not apply to the current year, in 2010, a short student driver was denied a stool. http://forums.usfirst.org/showthread.php?t=14863

There is discussion of the previous answer here: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...3639&highlight

I'd like to respond to this again, I am still alittle "sore" about this ruling. My student that year had a slow growth hormone according to his doctors. It's a medical condition he has, I am disappointed that FIRST did that to us. He drove anyway at Boilermaker in 2010.

You can see him salute at 0.01 seconds in this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rub0kYVorOQ

This year, I may have the same driver. He is 4 feet tall and 16 years old and a sophomore in high school.

I learned that FIRST has a wheel chair ramp for the driver station after the 2010 year. It's a PAIN to bring it out...so this year, I can if I want make the field volunteers bring the wheel chair RAMP to the driver station for my short driver.

He would be ok standing on the "apple" box and it would not be necessary to bring the giant wheel chair ramp for him if they will allow it. I plan on talking with the head ref about this at our next event and see what we can work out with my drivers medical condition.

EDIT: Let me say, in 2010 we did not know of the condition I mentioned above, hence could not "ask" the question in the Q&A as a medical condition question, and it was going to be "tough" to convince anyone that an 8th grader was vertically challenged. This year in 2012, I think I have a good case, hopefully people are reasonable.

[thefro526]

Chris, In your case would this clause in rule T33 apply?

[T33]
The only equipment that may be brought in to the Alliance Station is the Operator Console and non-powered signaling devices. Reasonable decorative items, and special clothing and/or equipment required due to a disability may be brought into the Alliance or Kinect Stations. Other items, particularly those intended to provide a competitive advantage for the team, are prohibited.